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little ten-second pre-show we go live

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here in 20 seconds we're gonna stream

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live tonight everybody on YouTube as

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well so welcome tonight is our John

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Anthony West tribute show with a jaw

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with hih dr. Robert Schoch and chance

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Gardner we're gonna have fun tonight

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we've got a lot of pictures and things

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like that and so just get ready we're

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gonna have fun we're going live now I'll

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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the on the airport

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who has announced on applying their -

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found under now in the possession of the

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RA the game is rigged change the game

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GameChanger

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this way

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and K GRA

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I need your help to get to the year 1985

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- black with jimmy touch on the game

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change in network

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good evening fade to black this smoke

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radio for the masses yeah that's what

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I'm talking about today is Tuesday

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February 13th 2018 44 days into the new

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year just 321 days left we are live from

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a bunker somewhere in downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south far

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and near this is fade to black for kjc

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are the game changer network and Keiji

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are a the planet I am your host Jimmy

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Church what is cracking everybody how

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are you doing all right settle down it's

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to do what we're gonna do tonight which

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tonight with our guests Robert Schoch

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and chance Gardner first up tonight will

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be Robert Schoch live from Boston and

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then chance Gardner in the second hour

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live from Australia Robert Schoch worked

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John Anthony West since 1991 or there

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abouts tonight we will nail that

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official date down right and so there

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you go there and then chance Gardner the

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director of magical Egypt one and two

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of two closer friends and partners with

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Gardner so tonight we're gonna have some

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fun okay now I I'm gonna do my best to

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can only imagine the string of bad words

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that would come out of his mouth if we

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did anything tonight that was a bummer

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that dirty laundry we're gonna have some

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very special Fator night tomorrow night

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where it's it is Valentine's Day and so

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at unity radio calm the alternative if

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end of the show so if you have a John

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uplifting and I want it to be the way

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going all somber yeah it ain't that guy

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in the party it's John Anthony West a

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tribute okay follow me on twitter @jj

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River Moon coffee I swear it's an

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jaws together right they were great

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what was next what was next

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oh okay so social media you can email

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want us to see and stuff you can post

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those tonight too as well some have have

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this is the museum outside and there's

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this is a great pic man that is really

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cool look at the size of those stones

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and that's just incredible great pic

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blowing and I'm gonna retweet that too

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tribute and again if you've got anything

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cool oh man look at that that's well

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done my friend that is well done jaws on

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the jaws that's pretty cool with this

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Fink's that's pretty cool that's well

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done I might have to steal that and use

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that a little bit later that's pretty

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okay ah where am I at oh don't forget I

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need to remind everybody our sole tech

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gathering up in East City ranch this

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August now I said the exact same words

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last night and I'm gonna have to say him

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again tonight last night I said that we

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had a few of the passives left that were

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discounted the first 50 I said that

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there were three left well as it turns

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out overnight with the way that the

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applications went through as of today

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because we had those signups yesterday

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reshuffled and we gained three more now

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now but about two hours ago before

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showtime there was still three left and

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then we just changed gears and go normal

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and I'll Rita just said three left okay

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so that's official that's in real time

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so if you'd like to take advantage of

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that go and do it now do it and do it

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now because it's gonna be done in the

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next few minutes okay all right sold

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tech gathering August 9th through the

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12th II said II rant it's going to be

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amazing more on that in the weeks and

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days ahead our next event is going to be

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June 1st through the 4th 2018 we're

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gonna be a contact in the desert in

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Indian Wells Palms Palm Springs Southern

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California at the

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Renaissance Resort & Spa and if you just

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we'll get them up by tomorrow for

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contacting the desert you can certainly

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just go to contact in the desert calm

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and look at they've got a pre-scheduled

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that and a list of speakers and there's

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ask me how many hats we sold say how

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many has did you sell Jimmy none we

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don't sell those hats those hats are for

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let's get this show crackin happy

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birthday to today

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shock the monkey Peter Gabriel is 68

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Henry Rollins Black Flag is 57 and had

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twos got a neck and he does Henry

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Rollins is got a neck Henry Rollins

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today is 57 punk rock legend singer

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Robbie Williams what was the name of his

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band that UK band they were like boys to

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men what was the name of that one for

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all what was his name it Robbie Williams

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band I can't remember take talk take

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talk I can't remember but today he's 44

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what's cool about Robbie he's got pipes

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but he's a fully engaged ufologist

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Robbie Williams today is 44 Peter Tork

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the Monkees today is 76

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Stockard Channing today is 74 now I'm

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gonna make a comment about this because

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Stockard Channing and Rita knows I hold

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Stockard Channing up there with any of

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the great actors in all of history I

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just she's just amazingly talented and

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of course Rizzo and grease I understand

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that she was amazing in six degrees of

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separation disturbing flick-right

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amazing performance but that wasn't her

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best and and and she's still like my

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depth wasn't her best her best is a

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movie from had to be the early 70s and

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it's a movie called that I never forgot

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the first time that I saw it when I was

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a kid and I've watched it so many times

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since is a movie called the girl most

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likely to and if you've never

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seen it watch it and after watching that

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movie she was a kid when that was made

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watch that and if you don't agree with

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me after after that flick that she isn't

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one of the greatest of all time period

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right go check it out the girl most

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likely to yeah amazing disturbing film

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disturbing it's cool she is somebody

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that you know especially back in the 70s

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where political correctness was not part

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of the game so you would call her ugly

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she had plastic surgery right and so and

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then she comes out of the plastic

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surgery beautiful but before the plastic

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surgery she was mistreated and just and

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it wasn't cool and the people that

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weren't cool to her in her life because

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of her face and then what she did with

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them afterwards when she was

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good-looking and attractive same

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personality same person and what she

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does it's just just an amazing flick the

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girl most likely to go check it out on

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this day in history one of the big days

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in 1633 Galileo arrives in Rome to face

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charges of heresy that's right

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for advocating the Copernican theory

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right which which said that the Earth

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revolves around the Sun and what

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happened convicted house arrest in his

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villa in Florence until he died and that

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happened today on the stain history in

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1633 fader fact okay listen to me

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this is a fader fact and some fader

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facts just don't make sense but that

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doesn't mean they are not true this is

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true and this is the fact

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that you can win money on you can you

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can win a bet with this well unless the

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other person is listening to this show

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so be careful with that but nonetheless

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are you ready the can opener was not

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invented until 50 years after the

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invention of canned food yeah you would

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think it'd be the same day but no the

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can opener was not invented until 50

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years after the invention of canned food

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and some things you just can't make up

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as crazy as that sounds

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that is a fader fact I'll go win some

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money all right tonight tonight we're

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gonna do we have two very special guests

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Robert Schoch and chance Gardner here

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for our John Anthony West a special

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tribute and this is the deal we're gonna

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we're just gonna we're just gonna talk

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we're gonna have some fun we're gonna

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share some images we're going to tell

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some stories experiences and and and

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just things we're gonna talk about the

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the life and times of the one and only

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the great John Anthony West I want to

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remind everybody that tomorrow night is

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Fator night and it is although it is

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Valentine's Day tomorrow we're gonna be

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doing a conscious life Expo recap we

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have dozens and dozens and dozens of

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pics that we're gonna go through and

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tell some stories a lot of amazing stuff

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went down some of it I've talked about

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we'll talk about it again tomorrow night

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but it was an extraordinary conference

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The Fader knots were out in full force

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great speakers great events we had our

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pre event over at the house and then we

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moved everything down to the LAX Hilton

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and it was a great time had by all okay

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so that will be tomorrow Thursday night

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Richard Dolan is here and we're gonna

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review and analyze the Richard Doty

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phone call the surprise called in to

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fade to black last week

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we're gonna do that and also talk a

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little Tom DeLonge okay all right with

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that

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I've got to hit this coffee mmm love my

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fade to black blend by River moon coffee

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okay oh really really okay Rita can I

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say that now or can I do I have to save

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that for later and that's that's that's

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a fader fact she just whipped one out is

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that right okay I'm gonna save that for

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a bit I'll wait for your response okay I

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wanted to I wanted to speak very

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directly about Tom DeLonge and to the

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stars and I am going to write this up

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and I will have everything a little bit

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more concise and and stuff and laid out

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and posted tomorrow and if anybody

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questions you or my position on the show

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you'll be able to direct them to the

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website and everything will be open okay

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it'll be there and it's this I am human

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okay

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I'm human just like everybody else and I

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do my best to research to see through

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things to try to find the right answers

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and to make sure that the stuff that I

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have on this show is represented

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correctly okay that is always our goal

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I'm a human I can make mistakes and the

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the mistake that I made with Tom DeLonge

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is the same error mine was a mistake his

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was an error I and I'm not sure why in

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showing the UFO community a picture of a

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balloon now Tom's Tom's error was

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trying to show that picture during his

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live video press conference when he was

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opening that day stocks for sale to the

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public into the Stars Academy for price

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and having a picture of mylar a helium

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mylar balloon up and back of him and

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Chris Mellon and representing that as a

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UFO and UFO technology and so invest

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into to the Stars Academy because of

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things like this in that picture okay

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now my mistake and to be clear here on

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one every for transparency the two

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videos which were later posted the

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00:27:04,299 --> 00:27:00,730
gimbal footage and the tic-tac footage

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may be real and I hope that they you

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know it hasn't been a hundred percent

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00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:08,620
verified but it looks authentic

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00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:11,840
certainly may be real and I hope that it

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00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:15,289
is but at that time they were not in

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possession of those videos the only

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thing that they had to show to us at

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that time and if they had something else

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00:27:25,299 --> 00:27:22,130
to show they didn't show and they

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probably should have but that tic-tac

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color tic-tac picture was actually a

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helium balloon my mistake was not

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00:27:38,980 --> 00:27:36,440
vetting that source I want to be clear

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00:27:41,529 --> 00:27:38,990
it's very simple to grab that image

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00:27:46,390 --> 00:27:41,539
right click on it and check out Google

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which is what I do and I do it with

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everything I've been busted before and

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this one time that I didn't do it

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00:28:02,440 --> 00:27:56,870
got caught I'm human I made that mistake

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and in and I've got a few emails that

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pointed out the fact that I went live on

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Saturday night and the day of disclosure

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December 16th that this was the biggest

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day ever and if anybody is is going to

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talk smack about Tom DeLonge they are

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jealous right see so

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the the the difference is that wasn't my

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00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:31,010
point I wasn't my point at all and at

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that time those videos were not out my

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00:28:40,990 --> 00:28:37,520
point that I had made which I still

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stand by it does not change is that

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00:28:46,930 --> 00:28:44,420
DeLong pushing this into the mass media

519
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and having the mass media talk about

520
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this and having it out in front and

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revealing the things about the Pentagon

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and and Senator Harry Reid and and this

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00:29:02,890 --> 00:28:59,450
this video footage and and pushing this

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agenda forward is huge and it's a

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difficult thing to do that is not my

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point and that has never been my point

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ever was to discount any of that my

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00:29:18,370 --> 00:29:15,290
point and I want to drive this home is

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that when I did the days of disclosure

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special and everything was open for tea

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tsa and the purchasing of stock that

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video footage was not released don't

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confuse the issue it was not out it

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wasn't out for two months and at that

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00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,530
point the only thing that they

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00:29:39,340 --> 00:29:36,320
represented to the Stars Academy was a

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00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,350
balloon picture and when you have a

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scientist and a guy from the Pentagon

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and CIA and then skunkworks and

540
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physicists and by okay and all of the

541
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stuff that is the the person elements

542
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staff and the team of T TSA and nobody

543
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could figure out or knew how to figure

544
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out that that was a mylar balloon when

545
00:30:03,400 --> 00:29:58,580
it's their job to investigate alien

546
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:03,410
technology that's my point and that I

547
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,650
won't let go and we will discuss this

548
00:30:11,260 --> 00:30:08,960
more on Thursday night but that is my

549
00:30:12,970 --> 00:30:11,270
position and tomorrow I will release an

550
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official statement and I will make it

551
00:30:18,910 --> 00:30:15,830
very very clear I want answers out of

552
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,920
the long haven't gotten those and I

553
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:20,960
think that there is something here and I

554
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think it's a very very big deal and it's

555
00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:27,110
not to be dismissed this isn't a mistake

556
00:30:33,670 --> 00:30:29,630
let's forget about it and move on that

557
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:33,680
is not the case all right there you go

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are

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fade to black tonight our John Anthony

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West tribute special our guest tonight

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00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:43,010
Robert Schoch he'll be up here in a

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second a little bit later chance Gardner

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joins the show live from Australia

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Robert Schoch is going to be here from

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Boston and so we're gonna do the life in

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gonna do all of that tonight with the

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

639
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you're listening to Jimmy's George

640
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:02,830
radio.com what's up what up this

641
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:04,900
comments and realism in the Shamy Church

642
00:35:28,299 --> 00:35:24,970
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

643
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:28,309
here Jimmy Church tonight as our John

644
00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:34,250
Anthony West special tributes our first

645
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:36,670
guest up tonight is dr. Robert Schoch

646
00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:41,089
who worked with mr. West for the last

647
00:35:49,299 --> 00:35:44,470
thirty years research partner brother

648
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:49,309
family member and this is the deal dr.

649
00:35:55,089 --> 00:35:51,170
Robert Schoch geologist Boston

650
00:35:59,319 --> 00:35:55,099
University Stanford Harvard Moscow State

651
00:36:01,839 --> 00:35:59,329
University University of Paris London I

652
00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:01,849
think I think he got his doctorate in

653
00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:04,940
Grenada how are you doing doctor whose

654
00:36:17,230 --> 00:36:15,230
job did I had like 30 universities here

655
00:36:20,289 --> 00:36:17,240
listed right I was gonna read through

656
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:20,299
them all just for fun but you know this

657
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,049
is but but seriously when you look even

658
00:36:29,650 --> 00:36:26,480
for you when you look at your CV and you

659
00:36:32,109 --> 00:36:29,660
look at the amount of education that you

660
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:32,119
have behind you at the most prestigious

661
00:36:40,210 --> 00:36:36,260
schools on the planet right does it does

662
00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:40,220
it impress you yeah sometimes I look and

663
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:43,790
say who is that person right right no

664
00:36:51,609 --> 00:36:48,770
joke I had read before we move on I had

665
00:36:55,420 --> 00:36:51,619
read this is a few months ago and I did

666
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:55,430
it as a fader fact on the show then 80%

667
00:37:02,559 --> 00:36:58,400
of the doctorate degrees in the United

668
00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:02,569
States are fake oh I I believe it I

669
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:05,630
believe it here here's a fun fact along

670
00:37:10,809 --> 00:37:07,760
those lines there was a faculty member

671
00:37:12,579 --> 00:37:10,819
in my college at Boston University I

672
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:12,589
mean we don't like to advertise this but

673
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:15,170
I'll say this here right and he was

674
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:16,970
there he was there I forget how many

675
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:20,000
years and it turned out he did not have

676
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:24,410
a PhD he had actually gone to a good

677
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:28,210
university he had done a dissertation

678
00:37:34,270 --> 00:37:31,369
supposedly but it turned out he had

679
00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:34,280
plagiarized a good chunk of it

680
00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:36,980
and he I can't remember if he didn't

681
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:38,780
have a PhD I think he actually got his

682
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:41,510
PhD and then they rescinded it oh

683
00:37:49,390 --> 00:37:45,200
because of that right right yeah yeah

684
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:49,400
but it is very very common and I've been

685
00:37:54,340 --> 00:37:51,980
on search kinase and whatnot that you

686
00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:54,350
get people you get applicants if you

687
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:56,390
don't vet them properly people will put

688
00:38:01,570 --> 00:37:58,850
on their application they have a PhD

689
00:38:04,510 --> 00:38:01,580
from this or that place and you know

690
00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:04,520
that's not uncommon that you look into

691
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:06,380
it and it's fake and then of course

692
00:38:15,370 --> 00:38:12,880
there's also the Diploma mill PhDs and

693
00:38:20,290 --> 00:38:15,380
okay well let me jump in really quick

694
00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:20,300
the I have gone to vet a few different

695
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:24,260
people right in this area without naming

696
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:27,490
names and let me tell you you cannot a

697
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:30,530
university you can't you can't prove or

698
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:32,450
disprove it a university will not

699
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:34,910
release that information to you you know

700
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:37,730
who they release it to the person that

701
00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:40,850
whose name it's under really really I

702
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:43,700
didn't even know that I've never

703
00:38:48,340 --> 00:38:45,980
personally worried about that but I do

704
00:38:51,490 --> 00:38:48,350
know with it between universities you

705
00:38:53,410 --> 00:38:51,500
can get the information right okay yeah

706
00:38:55,150 --> 00:38:53,420
so that makes sense doesn't it because

707
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:55,160
you know one University is trying to

708
00:38:59,080 --> 00:38:56,690
hire someone they want to know whether

709
00:39:01,390 --> 00:38:59,090
it's real or not right right but a

710
00:39:03,070 --> 00:39:01,400
person on the street and you want her

711
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:03,080
you know and you want to go and get

712
00:39:06,430 --> 00:39:04,610
somebody's background and they say that

713
00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:06,440
they have a doctor from the University

714
00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:08,390
that's a clampdown you can't you cannot

715
00:39:15,010 --> 00:39:12,590
get that infamous I'm still in academia

716
00:39:17,470 --> 00:39:15,020
right sighs do I I've been in academia

717
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:17,480
all my life and actually I want to turn

718
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:20,810
this to John Anthony West something that

719
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:26,450
I honestly regret I'll say that way but

720
00:39:34,860 --> 00:39:30,640
it's not my fault despite the fact that

721
00:39:38,770 --> 00:39:34,870
he was legendary for despising

722
00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:38,780
universities and academia and he of

723
00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:41,960
course used to turn quack Adamic for the

724
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:44,600
academics and you know this is

725
00:39:47,740 --> 00:39:46,250
absolutely legendary anyone who knows

726
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:47,750
who knew John Anthony

727
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:52,160
absolutely uh and you know he was he

728
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,650
never called me academic I've gotta say

729
00:39:58,770 --> 00:39:57,200
that he he always respected me but of

730
00:40:01,660 --> 00:39:58,780
course we were on the same side but

731
00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:01,670
something he actually would have liked

732
00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:04,460
and he and I spoke about this and he

733
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:06,350
would joke about but I know he was

734
00:40:11,530 --> 00:40:09,170
genuine about and I was hoping if he

735
00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:11,540
lived long enough and we were totally

736
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:13,160
vindicated which I think we have been

737
00:40:18,340 --> 00:40:15,920
totally vindicated as far as the Sphinx

738
00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:18,350
and whatnot I wanted to get him a

739
00:40:24,220 --> 00:40:21,380
honorary PhD which would be you know

740
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:24,230
great for him to thumb his nose at the

741
00:40:29,410 --> 00:40:26,810
co academics including the ones as you

742
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,420
say that they actually don't have pH

743
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:30,800
these are people that claim they don't

744
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:33,920
have PhDs to have him recognized that

745
00:40:39,010 --> 00:40:36,640
way you know maybe we should push some

746
00:40:40,540 --> 00:40:39,020
we should push that you know that's

747
00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:40,550
that's another discussion for another

748
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:43,550
time like a posthumous yeah yeah would

749
00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:46,490
that be just amazing yeah I would be but

750
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,350
I was hoping you know of course I was

751
00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:51,200
hoping within his lifetime I know but

752
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:53,830
even posthumously it would be something

753
00:40:59,320 --> 00:40:56,960
if we pulled that off something is gonna

754
00:41:03,280 --> 00:40:59,330
fall on your head in your office you're

755
00:41:06,370 --> 00:41:03,290
not yeah the problem is I actually don't

756
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:06,380
know any precedence off the top of my

757
00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:08,690
head for doing a posthumous leap it's

758
00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:10,550
just like Nobel Prizes they don't give

759
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:12,980
them posthumous slit right right right I

760
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:14,450
should look into that though that would

761
00:41:17,530 --> 00:41:15,770
be a lot of fun if we could pull that

762
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:17,540
off yeah that would be fun

763
00:41:22,270 --> 00:41:18,890
I mean nobody is more deserving

764
00:41:23,710 --> 00:41:22,280
certainly than John Anthony West well I

765
00:41:26,350 --> 00:41:23,720
was going to say something and that's

766
00:41:29,290 --> 00:41:26,360
one reason that he and I got along so

767
00:41:32,260 --> 00:41:29,300
well together and I would say bonded

768
00:41:35,110 --> 00:41:32,270
almost immediately is despite his facade

769
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,120
despite what people might think about

770
00:41:40,570 --> 00:41:37,520
him who don't know him well he was an

771
00:41:44,170 --> 00:41:40,580
absolutely meticulous scholar he could

772
00:41:46,990 --> 00:41:44,180
put the classic academics to shame in

773
00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:47,000
terms of his research his scholarship

774
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:51,560
his meticulousness so you know when he

775
00:41:58,570 --> 00:41:56,000
called people out in and criticized them

776
00:42:00,700 --> 00:41:58,580
I'm talking about academics now he knew

777
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:00,710
what he was doing he he was coming from

778
00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:01,450
very

779
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,180
long stance I wanted to do this I want

780
00:42:09,089 --> 00:42:07,119
to get the sad solemn part out of this

781
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:09,099
show out of the way so look because

782
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:11,950
regardless sad solid part right now I

783
00:42:17,790 --> 00:42:15,280
have to admit I'll be blunt he was like

784
00:42:20,099 --> 00:42:17,800
really close friend we started out his

785
00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:20,109
colleagues you I did hear the

786
00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:21,790
introduction to your show and you were

787
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,800
wondering about when we first met that

788
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:26,400
type of thing right it was back in the

789
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:33,810
1980s our serious collaboration began in

790
00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:36,640
1990 when he and I traveled to Egypt

791
00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:39,190
together okay and well so that's when

792
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,220
the series collaboration began but I

793
00:42:50,910 --> 00:42:45,280
knew him already at that point for some

794
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,920
time we first met in the 80s so and we

795
00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:53,200
really actually we kind of long right

796
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:55,060
away there was there was just something

797
00:43:02,579 --> 00:42:58,210
there I think we both saw something in

798
00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:02,589
the other one that we realized it you

799
00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:04,540
know he had an actor there was a spark

800
00:43:09,780 --> 00:43:07,780
there yeah he had that he had a knack

801
00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:09,790
for that and if he didn't like you oh

802
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:13,240
you knew it I know that too as well oh

803
00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:16,569
yeah yeah he was brutally honest

804
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:19,180
brutally blunt about things and he

805
00:43:22,770 --> 00:43:21,250
wasn't political about it most times I

806
00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:22,780
mean he would I saw him in many

807
00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:25,180
situations where he told someone exactly

808
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:27,940
what he thought of them are thought of

809
00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:30,390
their theory or whatever it might be

810
00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:33,700
even to the point with that look this

811
00:43:40,829 --> 00:43:37,240
guy's hosting us he just paid our way

812
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:40,839
here to see his whatever if L couldn't

813
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:44,710
you'd like put it a little bit softer

814
00:43:50,099 --> 00:43:48,160
terms without being dishonest no that

815
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:50,109
was not West he was just straightforward

816
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:54,880
and got to the point last week when the

817
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,200
news had broke about his passing I

818
00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:01,119
reached out to you I didn't want to say

819
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:04,390
anything until I got an official

820
00:44:10,349 --> 00:44:08,710
confirmation and I I had nobody else to

821
00:44:12,270 --> 00:44:10,359
call but you I called the family but I

822
00:44:13,530 --> 00:44:12,280
couldn't get through understandably so

823
00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:13,540
understandably

824
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:17,590
and so I called you and I didn't the

825
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:19,210
Internet has a way of spreading room and

826
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:21,190
I did want to be part of any anything

827
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:26,800
like that so I called you and tell if

828
00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:28,480
you can't just for a second

829
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:31,630
share with this at that moment when when

830
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:34,270
you got the news and and and what his

831
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:36,420
passing meant to you

832
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:40,480
well I cried yeah now be blunt I cried

833
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:42,910
and I probably been crying this is a sad

834
00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:44,650
part even I know you want to be

835
00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:47,620
uplifting know let's get died Robert

836
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:50,350
yeah but I mean he was a really close

837
00:44:55,620 --> 00:44:53,440
friend he was and many and many levels

838
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:55,630
my closest friend I would say even

839
00:44:59,220 --> 00:44:57,370
though we were a generation apart you

840
00:45:01,650 --> 00:44:59,230
know he was the same my father is still

841
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:01,660
life he's the same like I say I'm still

842
00:45:08,820 --> 00:45:04,330
saying he's the same he was the same age

843
00:45:11,850 --> 00:45:08,830
I'm still not quite you know as it's not

844
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:11,860
fully sank in I think it takes time for

845
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,010
for to realize that someone's gone

846
00:45:18,930 --> 00:45:17,200
and no I think going up and down it's

847
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:18,940
been a rollercoaster for me ya know I

848
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:22,630
I'll be honest I've I've I've shed a lot

849
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:27,040
of tears over this and and everybody has

850
00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:30,850
and and they you know what although he

851
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,460
wouldn't well he would know that people

852
00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:35,200
are doing this but he would also he

853
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:37,120
wouldn't he wouldn't want it he want to

854
00:45:43,620 --> 00:45:41,410
he'd I can hear him you know chiding me

855
00:45:48,030 --> 00:45:43,630
for like what's the hell you doing shock

856
00:45:50,070 --> 00:45:48,040
you know you don't need to cry right no

857
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:50,080
I can hear that but I still feel bad he

858
00:45:54,930 --> 00:45:52,810
would be using the word hell either so

859
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:54,940
what he wouldn't be using the word hell

860
00:46:01,440 --> 00:45:57,850
it would be another I would be nastier

861
00:46:02,610 --> 00:46:01,450
III toned it down because I never could

862
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:02,620
speak the way he did

863
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:06,010
it's just not my nature that was strong

864
00:46:13,740 --> 00:46:09,610
for me and and just as a side comment

865
00:46:17,010 --> 00:46:13,750
just for as we talk here a lot of people

866
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:17,020
called him John our jaws or jar or

867
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:19,180
whatever just so you know because I'll

868
00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:21,910
probably revert to it I always called

869
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:25,060
him West and he always called me shocked

870
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:27,130
yes it was it was

871
00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:30,160
in shock between us once in a while I

872
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:32,320
might refer to him as John you know when

873
00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:36,640
we were in company or you know where

874
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:38,740
other people were around but even then I

875
00:46:44,190 --> 00:46:41,460
usually I think referred to miss West

876
00:46:46,350 --> 00:46:44,200
and I don't remember a single time he

877
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:46,360
ever called me Robert no and all of my

878
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:48,970
conversations with him about you

879
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:51,910
you always shock yeah exactly I'm a

880
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:53,710
doctor east-west that's how it always

881
00:46:59,610 --> 00:46:57,130
was well how jobs came about let me tell

882
00:47:03,300 --> 00:46:59,620
you how that happened if that happened

883
00:47:07,110 --> 00:47:03,310
because of his email well yes exactly

884
00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:07,120
John Anthony it was a jaws Sphinx right

885
00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:09,820
yeah JW which are his initials John

886
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:13,720
Anthony West famous think so Josh and so

887
00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:17,290
that I picked up on that and one day we

888
00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:20,560
were on a phone call and I was I had

889
00:47:23,970 --> 00:47:22,600
something open in front of me which had

890
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:23,980
his email him and I were sitting here

891
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:26,800
talking and I go jaws listen and it was

892
00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:30,250
only because I was reading his email and

893
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:32,950
he laughed and he goes wow that kind of

894
00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:36,430
yeah that works right and it works it

895
00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:38,560
has a ring to it right and so that's how

896
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,420
that started I said you know what men

897
00:47:43,650 --> 00:47:42,160
your jaws from now on and he just

898
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:43,660
laughed because I'm good with that

899
00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:46,780
yeah it's great a couple is great but

900
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:49,840
what's going further back of course he

901
00:47:54,030 --> 00:47:51,370
and I were referring to each other as

902
00:47:56,940 --> 00:47:54,040
Western shock Rob I mean literally from

903
00:48:00,030 --> 00:47:56,950
the day we met he had said to me he goes

904
00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:00,040
you know now somebody had sent me an

905
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:02,380
email which I had read to him and it

906
00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:06,130
said Jimmy you're calling jaws John

907
00:48:11,790 --> 00:48:08,500
Anthony was jaws during a conversation

908
00:48:14,220 --> 00:48:11,800
it is immense disrespect so I read the

909
00:48:16,620 --> 00:48:14,230
email to John and I'm not gonna tell you

910
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:16,630
what he said but it was live please

911
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:20,170
bleep that person man yes call me jaws

912
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:23,410
and and so he was jaws to us ever since

913
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:25,810
and and so that's where that came from

914
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:30,900
it was just me absent mindedly

915
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:33,490
responding to his phone call and I jaws

916
00:48:38,010 --> 00:48:35,770
came out of my mouth and he's been jaws

917
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:38,020
ever since to us and there he goes so

918
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,140
that's where that came from so yeah

919
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:42,960
no I think he liked that he liked it ya

920
00:48:48,550 --> 00:48:45,450
know just unique I mean who else is

921
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:48,560
called that and also it has a certain I

922
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:51,720
don't know I mean it kind if you really

923
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:53,310
think about it's not only his initials

924
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:55,890
but serv conjures up things it's a good

925
00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:58,020
it's a good adviser

926
00:49:02,620 --> 00:49:00,420
have you seen I'm gonna send this to you

927
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:02,630
there's this mean going around right now

928
00:49:11,170 --> 00:49:06,480
with John's picture on the jaws poster

929
00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:13,580
thinking of something like that yeah and

930
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,780
then yeah oh you have to send that to me

931
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:17,760
sent to my email I'm gonna do it right

932
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:18,240
now

933
00:49:24,860 --> 00:49:21,450
Rita send it send it to Robert's email

934
00:49:26,660 --> 00:49:24,870
would you and it's a mate but the you

935
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:26,670
know the girl at the top that the shark

936
00:49:34,460 --> 00:49:29,880
is about to bite yeah her face has been

937
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:34,470
replaced with the Sphinx head it's

938
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:37,380
awesome absolutely awesome okay let's do

939
00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:40,020
that I want to start here alright let's

940
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,540
just start right here what is the the

941
00:49:49,540 --> 00:49:48,000
one personal not the one that may be too

942
00:49:54,590 --> 00:49:49,550
personal but what's the one thing about

943
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:54,600
that about John that only you know that

944
00:50:00,770 --> 00:49:56,570
you can share with us right now

945
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:00,780
no no I know I mean I try a lot of

946
00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:03,570
things that only I know and I don't know

947
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:10,230
that I'd was no I don't know that's

948
00:50:13,820 --> 00:50:12,210
that's a tough one because not only you

949
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:13,830
try and make me think of something only

950
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:15,450
I know but then you want me to tell

951
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:20,250
everybody our world he always made me

952
00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:22,920
laugh and what did he do to make you

953
00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:31,830
laugh what did he do to make me laugh I

954
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:34,260
mean we had so many things where we left

955
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:37,530
he had this you know incredible sense of

956
00:50:42,820 --> 00:50:40,290
humor I mean he really was a humorous

957
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,830
and satire

958
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:45,200
and I would you know be all serious

959
00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:47,330
about things that whether it's doing

960
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:49,940
geology zenus he used to call it or

961
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:52,310
something else and then he would just

962
00:51:00,730 --> 00:50:55,690
make these very dry comments sometimes

963
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:00,740
that would you know were hysterical in

964
00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:03,530
hindsight but what was really bad or

965
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:05,030
interesting is I did always get them

966
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:08,690
right and then he would think that was

967
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:14,570
very funny yeah it's for me there reside

968
00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:16,880
okay maybe I'll stir your memory by it

969
00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:18,710
you stir up my memory but I gotta think

970
00:51:23,220 --> 00:51:21,230
of things I'm lesson here too okay then

971
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:23,230
no that's fine and you know what there's

972
00:51:28,030 --> 00:51:25,610
there's nothing that he wouldn't say

973
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:28,040
yeah well okay that's cool I mean yeah

974
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:30,110
that's right it would really have to go

975
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:33,530
pretty far for him to be offended but is

976
00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:39,050
this during the our first interview the

977
00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:41,270
very first time leading up to the show

978
00:51:45,070 --> 00:51:43,460
which was really really cool just like

979
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:45,080
you were just saying we bonded out of

980
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,970
the gate right so we have this this

981
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:49,040
thing and we just got each other our

982
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:54,050
personalities matched right so we we

983
00:52:00,340 --> 00:51:56,930
talked and I couldn't I couldn't get him

984
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:00,350
off of the phone and it was a really

985
00:52:07,050 --> 00:52:04,370
funny situation where he was constantly

986
00:52:11,530 --> 00:52:07,060
calling me with with other ideas and

987
00:52:14,590 --> 00:52:11,540
when he gets you on the phone it's a

988
00:52:17,950 --> 00:52:14,600
difficult thing to get him off of the

989
00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:17,960
phone he loves to just create and talk

990
00:52:22,420 --> 00:52:20,870
and talk about history and things so we

991
00:52:24,910 --> 00:52:22,430
we talked and we talked and we talked

992
00:52:27,490 --> 00:52:24,920
now leading up to the now so because of

993
00:52:30,220 --> 00:52:27,500
all of that he was so excited about

994
00:52:34,180 --> 00:52:30,230
coming on the show and he had said to me

995
00:52:37,210 --> 00:52:34,190
that night that day I said okay we're

996
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:37,220
gonna do two hours and then it goes two

997
00:52:40,510 --> 00:52:40,010
hours I can't get things done in two

998
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:40,520
hours

999
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:42,890
I'm just getting warmed up I said how

1000
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:44,510
about two and a half he goes how long's

1001
00:52:50,290 --> 00:52:46,490
the show I said three goes I want all

1002
00:52:52,690 --> 00:52:50,300
three that's typical that's always so

1003
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:52,700
typical yeah yeah it's an okay alright

1004
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:55,730
you got it man three hours down now now

1005
00:52:59,520 --> 00:52:56,410
that you have

1006
00:53:02,040 --> 00:52:59,530
to come off at three hours yeah no there

1007
00:53:04,110 --> 00:53:02,050
I do believe I went over with him a

1008
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:04,120
couple of times I was going to say

1009
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:06,610
because I I have had many times at

1010
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:09,520
conferences and whatnot where literally

1011
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,400
he goes you know he was supposed to

1012
00:53:17,850 --> 00:53:14,800
speak for an hour say two and a half

1013
00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:17,860
hours later they're really trying to get

1014
00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:20,260
them off the stage because other people

1015
00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:23,620
have to speak and whatnot and I've seen

1016
00:53:28,140 --> 00:53:25,840
some cases where you know the moderator

1017
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:28,150
and the organizer goes up trying to pull

1018
00:53:32,820 --> 00:53:31,090
him off and that audience is going on

1019
00:53:36,930 --> 00:53:32,830
and on about don't leave him that we

1020
00:53:38,460 --> 00:53:36,940
want to hear him etc right he was

1021
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:38,470
incredible that way but yeah once you

1022
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,210
got him started he liked you'd like to

1023
00:53:44,970 --> 00:53:42,400
talk and he the thing is he had a lot to

1024
00:53:48,180 --> 00:53:44,980
say he always had a lot to say and so

1025
00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:48,190
this is what he did to me so about an

1026
00:53:54,060 --> 00:53:52,150
hour and a half into the show we're

1027
00:53:59,400 --> 00:53:54,070
doing our thing and I hear in the

1028
00:54:04,290 --> 00:53:59,410
background ice tinkling in a glass right

1029
00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:04,300
and and this goes on for about ten

1030
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:09,190
minutes and and I'm thinking he's

1031
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:13,530
drinking right and so I said I said Josh

1032
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:17,410
it said what are you drinking he goes

1033
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:20,890
vodka I said on the show of course man

1034
00:54:29,820 --> 00:54:25,570
and I said okay I believe I whipped out

1035
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:29,830
some vodka too and and we we continued

1036
00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:33,610
the show that way but that was him

1037
00:54:39,570 --> 00:54:35,950
he doesn't care he doesn't care what

1038
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:39,580
people but no he loved his vodka when

1039
00:54:42,990 --> 00:54:41,530
okay so here and you're making me think

1040
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:43,000
of things that maybe most people

1041
00:54:46,290 --> 00:54:44,410
wouldn't know I don't know if it's

1042
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:46,300
something only I know it's certainly not

1043
00:54:50,820 --> 00:54:48,310
something only I know but when we would

1044
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:50,830
travel for instance we would travel he

1045
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:53,170
liked his vodka and he didn't like just

1046
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,930
any vodka he has certain vodkas he'd

1047
00:55:01,020 --> 00:54:58,480
liked and didn't like blah blah blah and

1048
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:01,030
not all that because the same he taught

1049
00:55:07,950 --> 00:55:04,330
me to appreciate vodka maybe somewhat to

1050
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:07,960
my detriment but I could never drink the

1051
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,609
way he drinks I'm

1052
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:11,680
I would literally tell him and it's true

1053
00:55:18,930 --> 00:55:16,720
if I tried to drink it you know he were

1054
00:55:22,650 --> 00:55:18,940
close to what he could handle it would

1055
00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:22,660
literally kill me would put me under but

1056
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:24,940
we would travel was so when we traveled

1057
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:27,569
and I think this is no disrespect to him

1058
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:30,670
when we would travel we'd land somewhere

1059
00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:33,130
and the first thing we do you know in

1060
00:55:38,670 --> 00:55:36,700
the airport is we had to you know get a

1061
00:55:41,309 --> 00:55:38,680
few liters of vodka depending on how

1062
00:55:43,890 --> 00:55:41,319
long this day was and sometimes you know

1063
00:55:46,349 --> 00:55:43,900
you could only buy so many bottles per

1064
00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:46,359
person so I'd have to make sure I bought

1065
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:48,700
some under my passport he'd have to get

1066
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:52,089
some under his passport just to make

1067
00:55:58,289 --> 00:55:54,730
sure that we had enough and then another

1068
00:56:00,239 --> 00:55:58,299
vodkas story we went to gobekli tepe I

1069
00:56:02,729 --> 00:56:00,249
know you like Quebec wait up oh right

1070
00:56:05,609 --> 00:56:02,739
absolutely so this is our first trip

1071
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:05,619
John West and I and Katie was there too

1072
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:08,559
my wife for those you know Katie of

1073
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,210
course look for those people who don't

1074
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:13,119
know who Katie is Kathryn Ulysse my wife

1075
00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:16,480
the three of us traveled with a friend

1076
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:20,950
who is Turkish mutual friend we went to

1077
00:56:28,380 --> 00:56:25,119
Turkey this is in 2010 because we all

1078
00:56:31,049 --> 00:56:28,390
want to go visit gobekli tepe it ties in

1079
00:56:34,049 --> 00:56:31,059
with the research etc so we fly to

1080
00:56:36,779 --> 00:56:34,059
Turkey we go into Istanbul to Gaza on

1081
00:56:40,620 --> 00:56:36,789
tap we have a car it's night we're

1082
00:56:45,509 --> 00:56:40,630
driving from Ghazi on tap to earth the

1083
00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:45,519
car breaks down it's you know the

1084
00:56:53,759 --> 00:56:50,529
nighttime super dark the the myself and

1085
00:56:56,130 --> 00:56:53,769
our driver and our mutual friend who's

1086
00:56:58,109 --> 00:56:56,140
travelling with us we're trying to

1087
00:57:01,650 --> 00:56:58,119
figure out what's wrong with the car etc

1088
00:57:05,069 --> 00:57:01,660
etc john west he wasn't so worried about

1089
00:57:08,489 --> 00:57:05,079
that he pulls out his big bottle of 100

1090
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:08,499
proof vodka we just got in and just

1091
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,890
takes it and relaxes well we figure out

1092
00:57:15,329 --> 00:57:13,359
what's going on eventually we got

1093
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:15,339
everything sorted out and got back got

1094
00:57:20,539 --> 00:57:17,920
to Eartha and saw gobekli tepe the next

1095
00:57:23,340 --> 00:57:20,549
day or whatever but he was just calmed

1096
00:57:25,740 --> 00:57:23,350
relaxed he had the vodka

1097
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:25,750
everything was fine was that when the

1098
00:57:32,130 --> 00:57:28,630
famous earth Amman picture was taken

1099
00:57:34,380 --> 00:57:32,140
with yourself yeah yeah well there's

1100
00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:34,390
several earth Amman pictures with myself

1101
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:37,270
but certainly one of them is from that

1102
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,650
trip yeah

1103
00:57:42,690 --> 00:57:40,240
really quick we're gonna be headed

1104
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:42,700
towards a break right here and I wanted

1105
00:57:48,990 --> 00:57:46,960
to know if the GoFundMe is still up and

1106
00:57:50,610 --> 00:57:49,000
do we you know do we still need to get

1107
00:57:53,610 --> 00:57:50,620
that out there for him yeah there's a

1108
00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:53,620
GoFundMe that's up I think there's

1109
00:57:57,660 --> 00:57:55,750
actually two different versions of it

1110
00:58:00,750 --> 00:57:57,670
but as far as I know yeah they're there

1111
00:58:02,780 --> 00:58:00,760
they're still there still active and

1112
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:02,790
it's the one from the family

1113
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:06,400
correct okay there's I think a fund LIGO

1114
00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:09,450
fundly and then a gofund lee panama

1115
00:58:16,650 --> 00:58:12,760
because at the very end they were hoping

1116
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:16,660
that everyone was hoping that the cancer

1117
00:58:22,350 --> 00:58:20,410
was being beaten if we could put it that

1118
00:58:26,340 --> 00:58:22,360
way that the cancer is being overcome

1119
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:26,350
but his body was so weak and they want

1120
00:58:33,210 --> 00:58:29,970
to maybe try some stem-cell breach entre

1121
00:58:36,330 --> 00:58:33,220
regenerative therapy that type of thing

1122
00:58:39,690 --> 00:58:36,340
right my ultimate ly you know his body

1123
00:58:42,030 --> 00:58:39,700
couldn't take it and he let go well

1124
00:58:44,850 --> 00:58:42,040
we'll we'll continue this in a second

1125
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,860
and we will also get the correct links

1126
00:58:49,050 --> 00:58:46,720
up there for a GoFundMe in the meantime

1127
00:58:51,810 --> 00:58:49,060
let's take a quick break and when we

1128
00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:51,820
come back we'll continue the life and

1129
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:55,120
times of the one and only John Anthony

1130
00:58:59,730 --> 00:58:57,730
West with our guests dr. Robert Schoch

1131
00:59:01,560 --> 00:58:59,740
this is fade to black I'm your host

1132
00:59:03,570 --> 00:59:01,570
Jimmy Church it's gonna be a great night

1133
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:03,580
tonight at the bottom of the hour

1134
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:05,890
chants gardener is going to be here live

1135
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,450
from Australia

1136
00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:09,040
this is fade to black I'm nails timmy

1137
00:59:14,190 --> 00:59:11,140
turn-- she can follow me on twitter @ JT

1138
00:59:16,110 --> 00:59:14,200
radio you can follow dr. Schaack or do

1139
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:16,120
we have dr. shocks links up we'll get

1140
00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:19,090
that up on Twitter in just a bit fade to

1141
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:19,390
black

1142
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:40,490
[Music]

1143
00:59:44,490 --> 00:59:42,360
this is fade to black

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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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planet and you're listening to my good

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01:01:17,130 --> 01:01:14,830
friend Jimmy Church fade to black

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01:01:21,420 --> 01:01:17,140
on the GameChanger network and the kg

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are a digital broadcast station this is

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Toby Kebbell you're listening to Jimmy

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Church radio calm don't know me Jimmy

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complications before using any product

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01:02:45,540 --> 01:02:43,869
this is Micah Hanks of the graylien

1203
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:45,550
report and you're listening to jimmy

1204
01:02:49,980 --> 01:02:47,890
church on fade to black across the globe

1205
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:49,990
on the GameChanger radio network and the

1206
01:03:13,130 --> 01:02:52,960
one and only kgr a radio the planet

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01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:13,140
[Music]

1208
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:17,470
welcome back fade to black I'm hero

1209
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:19,570
Timmy church our guest tonight dr.

1210
01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:24,640
Robert Schoch and our tribute to the one

1211
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:27,310
and only John Anthony West who left this

1212
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:30,130
planet last week and I'm sure he's up

1213
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:32,590
there right now just going you guys

1214
01:03:37,290 --> 01:03:35,410
better bring it big don't be playin

1215
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:37,300
around and don't go soft so we're not

1216
01:03:41,660 --> 01:03:40,240
gonna do that tonight dr. Schaack let's

1217
01:03:48,690 --> 01:03:41,670
do this

1218
01:03:51,630 --> 01:03:48,700
Ibiza Ibiza now oh yeah and we loved it

1219
01:03:53,250 --> 01:03:51,640
there he often spoke about that before

1220
01:03:55,020 --> 01:03:53,260
we get to that I wish is thinking about

1221
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:55,030
something else if I could mention that

1222
01:04:00,920 --> 01:03:58,480
sure yeah you know we were colleagues in

1223
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:00,930
arms we were fighting the establishment

1224
01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:05,440
is we're still carrying that on and in

1225
01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:08,790
the big you know who brought you know

1226
01:04:14,910 --> 01:04:12,670
who I can't talk yeah all that all the

1227
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:14,920
commotion all the stuff about this

1228
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:17,110
Fink's and the Egyptologists were

1229
01:04:23,390 --> 01:04:21,180
attacking us and he relished things like

1230
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:23,400
you know for instance he told one

1231
01:04:28,770 --> 01:04:26,590
Egyptologist that her opinion of the

1232
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:28,780
geology of the Sphinx was no better than

1233
01:04:36,510 --> 01:04:32,170
that of a proctologist and that didn't

1234
01:04:38,820 --> 01:04:36,520
exactly help smooth out the situation

1235
01:04:41,660 --> 01:04:38,830
and she went after me because she

1236
01:04:46,610 --> 01:04:41,670
happened to be at Boston University and

1237
01:04:50,310 --> 01:04:46,620
tried to get me fired but I was tenured

1238
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:50,320
fortunately etc etc and I mean it it was

1239
01:04:57,540 --> 01:04:54,250
rough for me and you know being in

1240
01:05:02,220 --> 01:04:57,550
academia I had to live with these people

1241
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:02,230
and I didn't want all this hubbub I'll

1242
01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:03,610
put it that way I didn't want to be

1243
01:05:09,540 --> 01:05:05,470
attacked all the time I didn't want to

1244
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:09,550
go to Christmas parties and they call

1245
01:05:12,990 --> 01:05:10,960
holiday parties I guess at the

1246
01:05:15,570 --> 01:05:13,000
University and have people come up and

1247
01:05:18,900 --> 01:05:15,580
spit in my face virtually I mean right

1248
01:05:20,850 --> 01:05:18,910
literally and I talked to West about

1249
01:05:22,980 --> 01:05:20,860
this and saying look at all this trouble

1250
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:22,990
you're causing mean you've ruined my

1251
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:26,770
life he was just black and he

1252
01:05:32,250 --> 01:05:29,200
at all I mean he thought it was great

1253
01:05:34,050 --> 01:05:32,260
now he was not in academia so he was

1254
01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:34,060
looking at from a bit of a different

1255
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:37,270
perspective but I right I made him laugh

1256
01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:40,720
with quite a bit when he would well let

1257
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:43,390
me ask you this we have to talk about

1258
01:05:49,620 --> 01:05:47,050
Ibiza because his story that he adore to

1259
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:49,630
be so he of course lived there that's

1260
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:53,880
where he wrote Osborne's army his novel

1261
01:05:58,650 --> 01:05:56,530
novel well we'll get to Ibiza in a

1262
01:06:01,020 --> 01:05:58,660
second I want to I want to jump back he

1263
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:01,030
just reminded me of something you guys

1264
01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:04,330
met you at that time you weren't tenured

1265
01:06:08,190 --> 01:06:06,670
yet and he wanted to make you wanted to

1266
01:06:10,590 --> 01:06:08,200
wait till that happened before you guys

1267
01:06:13,350 --> 01:06:10,600
went oh absolutely yeah I wasn't stupid

1268
01:06:16,410 --> 01:06:13,360
he respected that he was frustrated but

1269
01:06:18,450 --> 01:06:16,420
respect at that but did but the debt

1270
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:18,460
that's not my question Robert this is

1271
01:06:27,330 --> 01:06:22,030
yeah this is my question you were the

1272
01:06:31,140 --> 01:06:27,340
young kid at that time and he was it you

1273
01:06:37,950 --> 01:06:31,150
know older than did you ever grow out of

1274
01:06:41,610 --> 01:06:37,960
being the kid in his eyes yes and no

1275
01:06:45,390 --> 01:06:41,620
right he always he always no no he

1276
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:45,400
always from day one respected me that I

1277
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:48,880
had credentials that I had even when we

1278
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:52,170
first met I'll be crude a long CV and

1279
01:06:59,030 --> 01:06:55,930
publications and that type of thing but

1280
01:07:02,910 --> 01:06:59,040
I was always of course you know a

1281
01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:02,920
generation younger so right and that

1282
01:07:09,060 --> 01:07:06,670
didn't bother me and I always felt I was

1283
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:09,070
learning from him I always felt that we

1284
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:11,170
he was he learned from me too I mean he

1285
01:07:15,780 --> 01:07:12,970
admitted that he taught him a lot of

1286
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:15,790
geology and other things right and and

1287
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:17,770
he realized and this was something that

1288
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:20,250
was wonderful to when I would point out

1289
01:07:26,130 --> 01:07:24,130
mistakes he made say in the realm of

1290
01:07:28,530 --> 01:07:26,140
geology at the beginning his he hadn't

1291
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:28,540
had some theories about how this things

1292
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:31,570
was eroded and that type of thing based

1293
01:07:37,170 --> 01:07:34,720
on his limited knowledge of geology and

1294
01:07:40,359 --> 01:07:37,180
I pointed out mistakes he made which

1295
01:07:44,339 --> 01:07:40,369
weren't fatal at all in fact the proper

1296
01:07:47,140 --> 01:07:44,349
geological interpretation reinforced the

1297
01:07:50,589 --> 01:07:47,150
antiquity of the Sphinx so there was

1298
01:07:55,210 --> 01:07:50,599
always that give-and-take back and forth

1299
01:07:59,680 --> 01:07:55,220
but I never want to you know serve usurp

1300
01:08:01,779 --> 01:07:59,690
his position as the senior senior person

1301
01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:01,789
should we say yeah and it's kind of that

1302
01:08:07,660 --> 01:08:03,950
makes sense I mean wait he never

1303
01:08:10,779 --> 01:08:07,670
disrespected me he always you know it

1304
01:08:12,910 --> 01:08:10,789
was an interesting relationship in that

1305
01:08:16,930 --> 01:08:12,920
sense from my perspective I mean we're

1306
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:16,940
very very close friends but yes he was

1307
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:20,239
the senior person an age and experience

1308
01:08:27,220 --> 01:08:23,920
yeah it's hard to break out of that

1309
01:08:30,669 --> 01:08:27,230
relate that that that part of it because

1310
01:08:33,459 --> 01:08:30,679
you're younger he's he's older and

1311
01:08:34,180 --> 01:08:33,469
you're never gonna be the same age right

1312
01:08:36,099 --> 01:08:34,190
that's right

1313
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,109
but it was never a problem that's why I

1314
01:08:41,950 --> 01:08:38,480
want to stress not only was it never a

1315
01:08:45,220 --> 01:08:41,960
problem I think it actually reinforced

1316
01:08:45,879 --> 01:08:45,230
our bond and friendship now if that

1317
01:08:48,970 --> 01:08:45,889
makes sense

1318
01:08:53,140 --> 01:08:48,980
it does it does now Ibiza now this is

1319
01:08:58,689 --> 01:08:53,150
the thing I i look at jaws and when I

1320
01:09:04,870 --> 01:08:58,699
hear John speak about of his time in

1321
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:04,880
Ibiza he bisa is a Bach and all free

1322
01:09:12,249 --> 01:09:08,719
form free spirit leave your clothes at

1323
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:12,259
the door it's a good place where you can

1324
01:09:17,919 --> 01:09:14,330
do whatever you want whatever your

1325
01:09:21,010 --> 01:09:17,929
desires are you can do that there and it

1326
01:09:24,249 --> 01:09:21,020
allows you to hopefully find your bliss

1327
01:09:26,410 --> 01:09:24,259
find your inner soul and you can expand

1328
01:09:29,709 --> 01:09:26,420
the way the direction that you want to

1329
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:29,719
go into the perfect place for a guy like

1330
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:34,400
jaws he found himself there never that

1331
01:09:40,689 --> 01:09:37,279
freedom didn't he yeah he did and he

1332
01:09:43,959 --> 01:09:40,699
found a couple things he well he was a

1333
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:43,969
writer before he got there he often like

1334
01:09:49,180 --> 01:09:46,880
to talk about how he actually became a

1335
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,190
writer when he has first short story

1336
01:09:54,770 --> 01:09:52,319
published and this was a late 1950s

1337
01:09:57,140 --> 01:09:54,780
and it was sort of the equivalent of

1338
01:09:58,280 --> 01:09:57,150
when not for me we talked about this

1339
01:10:00,649 --> 01:09:58,290
back and forth it was served the

1340
01:10:04,459 --> 01:10:00,659
equivalent of when I got my PhD when he

1341
01:10:08,510 --> 01:10:04,469
first had his genuine publication he was

1342
01:10:10,819 --> 01:10:08,520
a published writer he went to visa he

1343
01:10:13,129 --> 01:10:10,829
was part of and I hate to use this term

1344
01:10:14,839 --> 01:10:13,139
by user in a complementary sense he was

1345
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:14,849
part of The Beat Generation Lang comes

1346
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:17,880
right down to it right um but that was a

1347
01:10:24,589 --> 01:10:21,570
very intellectual generation yes there

1348
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:24,599
was everything you said but they were

1349
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:27,090
also serious about things and he was

1350
01:10:32,510 --> 01:10:29,610
serious about his writing he was serious

1351
01:10:36,260 --> 01:10:32,520
about his art and it was there that he

1352
01:10:40,189 --> 01:10:36,270
first became involved in schwa lurch

1353
01:10:43,010 --> 01:10:40,199
Waller de Lubitsch in the symbolist

1354
01:10:47,419 --> 01:10:43,020
school of Egypt as it's often referred

1355
01:10:52,010 --> 01:10:47,429
to it was there that he got to know his

1356
01:10:55,790 --> 01:10:52,020
friend the Dutch writer yeah yeah yeah

1357
01:11:00,109 --> 01:10:55,800
and and they wrote the case for

1358
01:11:01,550 --> 01:11:00,119
astrology together which came out I want

1359
01:11:05,979 --> 01:11:01,560
to say off the top of my head the first

1360
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:05,989
edition was about 1970 or so that was

1361
01:11:12,919 --> 01:11:10,199
totally revised by West twenty years

1362
01:11:15,169 --> 01:11:12,929
later and came out in the Edition that

1363
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:15,179
most people would know now just under

1364
01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:17,250
his own name

1365
01:11:22,819 --> 01:11:20,460
not co-authored the base for astrology

1366
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:22,829
which is an interesting book and it gets

1367
01:11:27,709 --> 01:11:25,260
back to Ibiza because people sometimes

1368
01:11:29,689 --> 01:11:27,719
think about or they they heard of it and

1369
01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:29,699
they think this is some kind of woowoo

1370
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:33,060
new age book on astrology and all that

1371
01:11:37,939 --> 01:11:35,340
no it's actually a very very very

1372
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:37,949
different type of book it's really more

1373
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:42,719
about and I'm thinking now reverting to

1374
01:11:47,660 --> 01:11:44,250
being academic it's really more about

1375
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:47,670
philosophy of science and what is

1376
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:51,960
evidence what is not evidence and yes he

1377
01:11:58,729 --> 01:11:54,449
uses astrology as a case where you have

1378
01:12:02,510 --> 01:11:58,739
real evidence for at least some aspects

1379
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:02,520
of the astrology now he makes that

1380
01:12:05,810 --> 01:12:05,010
argument but he covers so much more in

1381
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:05,820
the books

1382
01:12:13,490 --> 01:12:11,489
and knowing John as we do now can you

1383
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:13,500
imagine I want you to answer this

1384
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:14,369
honestly

1385
01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:17,810
could you imagine hanging out with John

1386
01:12:24,140 --> 01:12:20,760
for a couple of nights in Ibiza back

1387
01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:24,150
then and and doing it correctly you know

1388
01:12:29,930 --> 01:12:27,540
you know a couple of bars that don't

1389
01:12:32,419 --> 01:12:29,940
know but I would have loved to been all

1390
01:12:33,950 --> 01:12:32,429
to do that you know I would have loved

1391
01:12:36,589 --> 01:12:33,960
because of course I didn't know him back

1392
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:36,599
then and that I was just a little kid

1393
01:12:44,089 --> 01:12:41,040
was he he's the hair but yeah it must

1394
01:12:46,459 --> 01:12:44,099
have been unbelievable because they

1395
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:46,469
would have these parties as he related

1396
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:49,679
to me his I think his house and where he

1397
01:12:56,930 --> 01:12:52,880
lived was known as rum place right and

1398
01:12:58,580 --> 01:12:56,940
and you know I'd say what party hard but

1399
01:13:01,100 --> 01:12:58,590
they would think hard to they would I

1400
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:01,110
mean there was this combination of

1401
01:13:07,580 --> 01:13:05,329
seriousness and totally you know

1402
01:13:09,979 --> 01:13:07,590
dereliction if I could use that term

1403
01:13:12,169 --> 01:13:09,989
right and actually talking to him and

1404
01:13:16,359 --> 01:13:12,179
now that you make me think about it it

1405
01:13:19,819 --> 01:13:16,369
reminds me of what I saw at Yale as a

1406
01:13:22,939 --> 01:13:19,829
graduate student where I was with a

1407
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:22,949
bunch of graduate students and except

1408
01:13:28,580 --> 01:13:25,199
for me of course we were doing the same

1409
01:13:32,899 --> 01:13:28,590
thing where we would work hard you know

1410
01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:32,909
really work hard intellectually and we'd

1411
01:13:39,410 --> 01:13:36,360
also let loose well and that pressure

1412
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:39,420
valve going on and so so it was a very

1413
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:44,010
III mean you know Heba moaned when you

1414
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:46,650
know you had the hippie types coming in

1415
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:48,449
and I don't want to put words to his

1416
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:50,489
mouth so much but you know the hippie

1417
01:13:53,660 --> 01:13:52,170
types coming in and no they're just

1418
01:13:56,419 --> 01:13:53,670
doing nothing they're not they don't

1419
01:13:59,000 --> 01:13:56,429
have that serious aspect yes okay to

1420
01:14:02,629 --> 01:13:59,010
party hard but you also have to have to

1421
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:02,639
have that serious aspect you don't just

1422
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:06,810
party we also accomplish things when the

1423
01:14:12,979 --> 01:14:09,449
when the when the doo doo started to hit

1424
01:14:14,810 --> 01:14:12,989
the fan when the the TV show was

1425
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:14,820
released the mystery of the Sphinx oh

1426
01:14:20,780 --> 01:14:19,050
yeah yeah 1990 it all hit the fan it

1427
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:20,790
all hit the fan you had the geology

1428
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:24,239
conference that was in San Diego Steve

1429
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:27,690
here's here's a good example that was he

1430
01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:31,020
was in to use the old fashioned cliche

1431
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:34,110
he was in hog heaven right with all that

1432
01:14:41,569 --> 01:14:38,690
I was in the most serious depression I

1433
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,579
was the one that was being attacked well

1434
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:43,440
he was being attacked too but I was the

1435
01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:45,690
front person for being attacked because

1436
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:47,460
who are the academics going to go after

1437
01:14:51,890 --> 01:14:49,290
they don't care that much about Wes he's

1438
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:51,900
just a sideshow I'm the one that you

1439
01:14:57,589 --> 01:14:54,719
know they're trying to get rid of now

1440
01:14:59,839 --> 01:14:57,599
the fate or not and he loved it he he

1441
01:15:03,049 --> 01:14:59,849
relished that whole thing he relished my

1442
01:15:05,839 --> 01:15:03,059
position too he would joke to me about

1443
01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:05,849
it that I thought was I just think was a

1444
01:15:09,290 --> 01:15:06,900
joking matter

1445
01:15:11,540 --> 01:15:09,300
I mean we can laugh about now but I

1446
01:15:14,839 --> 01:15:11,550
wasn't laughing back then okay we've

1447
01:15:18,020 --> 01:15:14,849
just got a petition started just to let

1448
01:15:21,530 --> 01:15:18,030
you know the fader knots have started a

1449
01:15:27,620 --> 01:15:21,540
petition at high petitions calm for John

1450
01:15:30,260 --> 01:15:27,630
Anthony West to get a PhD posthumous PhD

1451
01:15:31,819 --> 01:15:30,270
grade we've got it right here we're

1452
01:15:34,729 --> 01:15:31,829
gonna start the distribution on this

1453
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,739
I'll send it over to you and and this is

1454
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:36,239
really cool so we're gonna get this out

1455
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,340
there right now and see this audience is

1456
01:15:43,069 --> 01:15:40,800
the best right yeah I didn't take long

1457
01:15:45,919 --> 01:15:43,079
no that didn't take long at all I was

1458
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:45,929
going to say I do talk about some of

1459
01:15:50,689 --> 01:15:47,280
this if people want to read more about

1460
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:50,699
in my various books specially forgotten

1461
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:53,520
civilization and have some pictures

1462
01:15:57,229 --> 01:15:55,170
there too and plus I think you've got a

1463
01:16:00,080 --> 01:15:57,239
link to my website I've got something

1464
01:16:06,020 --> 01:16:04,010
but I put something in on earth West on

1465
01:16:07,970 --> 01:16:06,030
my website I'll be putting more on in

1466
01:16:10,910 --> 01:16:07,980
the future yeah we've got those links up

1467
01:16:14,330 --> 01:16:10,920
and we'll get it going throughout the

1468
01:16:16,669 --> 01:16:14,340
night here but the piece the piece was

1469
01:16:21,919 --> 01:16:16,679
from the heart and the images too as

1470
01:16:24,500 --> 01:16:21,929
well were just really stir stir the soul

1471
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:24,510
and it's a really you know that's very

1472
01:16:31,220 --> 01:16:26,960
personal and thank you for doing that

1473
01:16:32,949 --> 01:16:31,230
thanks that means a lot to me like I

1474
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:32,959
said I know you want to keep this

1475
01:16:39,399 --> 01:16:37,010
on the lighter side but well we were

1476
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:39,409
close we were close and I would be lying

1477
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:41,570
if I didn't say that you know I've

1478
01:16:47,859 --> 01:16:44,449
really it's been it's been hitting me

1479
01:16:51,429 --> 01:16:47,869
hard and but it's cathartic to talk

1480
01:16:53,620 --> 01:16:51,439
about it is but but okay so let's go

1481
01:16:57,299 --> 01:16:53,630
back I want your comment there I thought

1482
01:17:01,479 --> 01:16:57,309
it was absolutely hilarious you

1483
01:17:04,839 --> 01:17:01,489
ninety-three stress case right oh it was

1484
01:17:08,799 --> 01:17:04,849
bad for me and it was wonderful for him

1485
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:08,809
John I can only imagine his happiness

1486
01:17:14,469 --> 01:17:10,880
did he have to talk you off of the cliff

1487
01:17:19,689 --> 01:17:14,479
oh yeah he actually did he actually did

1488
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:19,699
I mean I was I was so I was so stressed

1489
01:17:27,609 --> 01:17:24,110
out over it when you talk off the cliff

1490
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:27,619
I I'll be blunt I mean I wasn't trying I

1491
01:17:33,429 --> 01:17:30,800
wasn't going commit suicide over it but

1492
01:17:37,779 --> 01:17:33,439
on the other hand I've threatened to

1493
01:17:39,759 --> 01:17:37,789
walk away from all of it I we we had it

1494
01:17:43,810 --> 01:17:39,769
out and that says I wouldn't say we had

1495
01:17:48,699 --> 01:17:43,820
out it was never nasty or vicious it was

1496
01:17:53,109 --> 01:17:48,709
friends you know hashing it out right

1497
01:17:54,850 --> 01:17:53,119
and I at one point I just wanted to walk

1498
01:17:56,890 --> 01:17:54,860
away from all of it I didn't want

1499
01:18:00,129 --> 01:17:56,900
anything to do with all this stuff and

1500
01:18:02,500 --> 01:18:00,139
he he said to me something to the effect

1501
01:18:05,319 --> 01:18:02,510
I can't you know this is a paraphrase

1502
01:18:07,779 --> 01:18:05,329
but basically he says shock look you

1503
01:18:10,330 --> 01:18:07,789
know what the evidence is you know this

1504
01:18:12,580 --> 01:18:10,340
is right are you just going to turn you

1505
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:12,590
know let them win and turn your back on

1506
01:18:14,979 --> 01:18:14,449
all of this you know something to that

1507
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:14,989
effect

1508
01:18:21,850 --> 01:18:20,329
because the evidence is good and I got

1509
01:18:24,459 --> 01:18:21,860
kicked out if I did hear the beginning

1510
01:18:28,899 --> 01:18:24,469
you were mentioning Galileo and Galileo

1511
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:28,909
was it today that he was the day yeah

1512
01:18:33,129 --> 01:18:31,489
yeah yeah and that's what they want to

1513
01:18:34,899 --> 01:18:33,139
do me and again I'm not trying to

1514
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:34,909
compare myself to someone like Galileo

1515
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:37,489
but it's surviving isn't it we have

1516
01:18:43,899 --> 01:18:41,050
we're having this conversation now and

1517
01:18:45,890 --> 01:18:43,909
you know they really were going after me

1518
01:18:49,459 --> 01:18:45,900
and I wasn't liking it and

1519
01:18:52,130 --> 01:18:49,469
I wanted to recant to use the Galileo

1520
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:52,140
analogy or at least just walk away from

1521
01:18:58,640 --> 01:18:56,130
it and go quietly off into my own field

1522
01:19:00,260 --> 01:18:58,650
then they would have been happy with

1523
01:19:02,660 --> 01:19:00,270
that okay we won't hear from Jacques

1524
01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:02,670
again let him go back to his specialty

1525
01:19:10,220 --> 01:19:07,080
of Eocene mammal fossils and published

1526
01:19:12,649 --> 01:19:10,230
papers once again that are absolutely

1527
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:12,659
excellent papers from an academic point

1528
01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:15,090
of view and have a readership of six

1529
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:17,880
people other six other specialists in

1530
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:20,850
the field that type of thing and in West

1531
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:22,170
said to me are you really going to do

1532
01:19:26,270 --> 01:19:23,610
there you're really going to walk away

1533
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:26,280
from all this you know the truth to this

1534
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:30,210
you know even if the implications are

1535
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:32,159
disturbing to your academic colleagues

1536
01:19:38,810 --> 01:19:36,090
and he he convinced me that no and I

1537
01:19:41,919 --> 01:19:38,820
knew he was right he convinced me that I

1538
01:19:44,899 --> 01:19:41,929
had to live up to what I had always

1539
01:19:47,540 --> 01:19:44,909
advocated which is that you go with the

1540
01:19:50,060 --> 01:19:47,550
evidence you look at the evidence you go

1541
01:19:53,209 --> 01:19:50,070
with the truth if I could use that term

1542
01:19:56,419 --> 01:19:53,219
and you don't back away from it whether

1543
01:20:04,300 --> 01:19:56,429
it's popular or not and somebody just

1544
01:20:07,790 --> 01:20:04,310
posted a picture of you Hawass west and

1545
01:20:10,939 --> 01:20:07,800
it's Hawass you oh and a graham hancock

1546
01:20:18,169 --> 01:20:10,949
and the four of you are standing there

1547
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:18,179
together did and I'm looking at in this

1548
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:20,850
picture it almost looks like everybody

1549
01:20:27,380 --> 01:20:22,050
is getting along

1550
01:20:29,090 --> 01:20:27,390
except for Bauval and and jaws those two

1551
01:20:32,510 --> 01:20:29,100
don't look happy

1552
01:20:33,620 --> 01:20:32,520
Graham is laughing Hawass has got a

1553
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:33,630
smile on his face

1554
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,010
did they ever did did Hawass ever

1555
01:20:43,790 --> 01:20:40,800
capitulate did he ever give in I mean

1556
01:20:46,669 --> 01:20:43,800
even a little bit yeah I would say a

1557
01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:46,679
little bit I would say a little bit I

1558
01:20:55,370 --> 01:20:51,060
felt that my relationship and West's

1559
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:55,380
relationship with Hawass was served on

1560
01:20:59,660 --> 01:20:58,800
and off more or less what I want what I

1561
01:21:02,870 --> 01:20:59,670
mean by that

1562
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:02,880
is that we would disagree certainly

1563
01:21:10,100 --> 01:21:05,940
publicly we would disagree but I've had

1564
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:10,110
private conversations and dinners with

1565
01:21:16,010 --> 01:21:12,840
Hawass in the past I haven't seen him

1566
01:21:17,780 --> 01:21:16,020
recently honestly but in the Wellington

1567
01:21:19,550 --> 01:21:17,790
I guess I have seemed relatively

1568
01:21:24,110 --> 01:21:19,560
recently but not not in any type of

1569
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:24,120
intimate you know personal setting not

1570
01:21:32,209 --> 01:21:27,449
that he would back off per se but there

1571
01:21:38,510 --> 01:21:32,219
wasn't a personal animosity necessarily

1572
01:21:41,450 --> 01:21:38,520
between Hawass West and myself that

1573
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:41,460
there was for instance and maybe still

1574
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:44,610
is between to use the other extreme

1575
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:47,370
Robert Bauval who of course I know very

1576
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:52,170
well too and Jaya Hawass if I'm making

1577
01:21:58,729 --> 01:21:55,050
sense if you are saying you are I always

1578
01:22:01,970 --> 01:21:58,739
felt I've never felt a real personal

1579
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:01,980
animosity between Hawass and myself and

1580
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:04,560
I believe that was always the case with

1581
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:07,760
Weston Hawass in fact I've observed that

1582
01:22:13,010 --> 01:22:10,800
when we were together that you know we

1583
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:13,020
might disagree I'm now talking about

1584
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:16,530
West Hawass and myself we might all

1585
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:21,050
disagree on things but there was also

1586
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:24,000
amicable relationship at a certain level

1587
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:26,940
and a respect a certain level I have

1588
01:22:34,669 --> 01:22:30,810
actually witnessed Hawass saying very

1589
01:22:37,370 --> 01:22:34,679
positive things about into John Anthony

1590
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,380
West in the past that doesn't mean he

1591
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:39,120
agreed with him on the dating of the

1592
01:22:44,300 --> 01:22:41,489
Sphinx or other interpretations be

1593
01:22:48,260 --> 01:22:44,310
acknowledged that John west did a lot to

1594
01:22:52,189 --> 01:22:48,270
help Egypt bring Egypt into a popular

1595
01:22:54,919 --> 01:22:52,199
spotlight to gain good attention for

1596
01:22:58,160 --> 01:22:54,929
Egypt you know which Egypt needs help

1597
01:23:00,560 --> 01:22:58,170
tourism that type of thing and the wasps

1598
01:23:03,740 --> 01:23:00,570
respected that I believe did you guys

1599
01:23:05,870 --> 01:23:03,750
have any idea you and I talked privately

1600
01:23:07,820 --> 01:23:05,880
last week on the phone we had a really

1601
01:23:10,729 --> 01:23:07,830
good laugh about this you know very few

1602
01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:10,739
people have a chance to change the world

1603
01:23:15,450 --> 01:23:12,790
it's a whole other step to actually

1604
01:23:17,610 --> 01:23:15,460
follow up on that end and do it and

1605
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:17,620
change the world the two of you did this

1606
01:23:23,010 --> 01:23:20,890
together arm in arm lockstep you fought

1607
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:23,020
the good fight and you did do that but

1608
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:26,080
did you have any idea that you were

1609
01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:28,690
gonna tip the world on its axis like you

1610
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:32,830
guys did no I don't think so I did not I

1611
01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:35,410
did not at least initially I went into

1612
01:23:42,450 --> 01:23:38,710
this quite naively now I will say for

1613
01:23:48,570 --> 01:23:42,460
John Anthony West I think he did realize

1614
01:23:51,150 --> 01:23:48,580
how important this was and how I'll use

1615
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:51,160
your term game-changing this was right

1616
01:23:57,180 --> 01:23:54,730
because it raises so many issues and

1617
01:23:59,340 --> 01:23:57,190
older Sphinx is not just an older Sphinx

1618
01:24:02,310 --> 01:23:59,350
who cares if it's an older Sphinx it

1619
01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:02,320
raises the whole issue of civilization

1620
01:24:06,690 --> 01:24:04,870
before civilization is supposed to have

1621
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:06,700
existed raises the whole issue

1622
01:24:11,940 --> 01:24:09,330
ultimately of civilization and

1623
01:24:14,670 --> 01:24:11,950
sophisticated culture before the end of

1624
01:24:17,580 --> 01:24:14,680
the last ice age or what I call now an

1625
01:24:20,250 --> 01:24:17,590
earlier cycle of civilization which John

1626
01:24:23,070 --> 01:24:20,260
West was very happy with that term going

1627
01:24:25,530 --> 01:24:23,080
back to a much more remote period it

1628
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:25,540
changes the whole nature of what we

1629
01:24:31,650 --> 01:24:27,730
think of as progress which is something

1630
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:31,660
he was very interested in for people

1631
01:24:36,450 --> 01:24:33,910
that know his work he'd like to talk

1632
01:24:38,970 --> 01:24:36,460
about the Church of progress the concept

1633
01:24:42,540 --> 01:24:38,980
of the Church of progress which is as

1634
01:24:45,930 --> 01:24:42,550
dogmatic as any conventional Church more

1635
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:45,940
or less modern science thinking that

1636
01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:48,250
we're the best and the brightest and if

1637
01:24:52,710 --> 01:24:50,350
you go back in time they can only be

1638
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:52,720
stupider and Dumber than us and it's

1639
01:24:59,220 --> 01:24:57,130
from dumb old them to bright and you

1640
01:25:00,750 --> 01:24:59,230
know technologically sophisticated us

1641
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:00,760
they'd like to point out what their

1642
01:25:09,900 --> 01:25:03,130
technology bring us striped toothpaste

1643
01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:09,910
and atomic bombs and towards the you

1644
01:25:14,730 --> 01:25:12,310
know the latter part of his career he

1645
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:14,740
started to and we've only got a few

1646
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:17,110
minutes left but I think we need to

1647
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:19,440
touch upon this he started to really

1648
01:25:25,170 --> 01:25:22,000
address the spirituality and the

1649
01:25:26,590 --> 01:25:25,180
religious side the hardcore spirituality

1650
01:25:29,620 --> 01:25:26,600
side of ancient Egypt

1651
01:25:31,390 --> 01:25:29,630
oh yes actually but you know the funny

1652
01:25:34,540 --> 01:25:31,400
thing is you say toward the latter part

1653
01:25:37,870 --> 01:25:34,550
of his career it was there all along I

1654
01:25:40,900 --> 01:25:37,880
mean I slog for 30 you know 30 or so

1655
01:25:44,830 --> 01:25:40,910
years I knew him it was there it's just

1656
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:44,840
didn't make the front lines it didn't

1657
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:47,210
people weren't aware of that and I think

1658
01:25:54,370 --> 01:25:49,970
in part because he hadn't spoken about

1659
01:25:56,290 --> 01:25:54,380
as much and he hadn't publicized that

1660
01:25:59,530 --> 01:25:56,300
aspect as much especially when we were

1661
01:26:02,560 --> 01:25:59,540
embroiled with the Sphinx controversy

1662
01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:02,570
that type of thing right but no it was

1663
01:26:07,390 --> 01:26:04,070
there but you're absolutely right it

1664
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:07,400
came forward even more and so for

1665
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:09,770
instance a little thing I wrote so far

1666
01:26:14,410 --> 01:26:12,410
and posted on my website if people read

1667
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:14,420
that I talked about at least some of

1668
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:18,530
that aspect based on the ancient

1669
01:26:24,430 --> 01:26:21,890
Egyptians and of course he was probably

1670
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:24,440
the greatest translator if I could use

1671
01:26:30,460 --> 01:26:27,650
that term of dynastic Egyptian beliefs

1672
01:26:33,090 --> 01:26:30,470
along those lines into modern terms yeah

1673
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:33,100
he had mentioned one of our last shows

1674
01:26:41,020 --> 01:26:38,810
we we've done five shows with jaws okay

1675
01:26:46,930 --> 01:26:41,030
today being the sixth he's technically

1676
01:26:49,690 --> 01:26:46,940
here he's absolutely here and our first

1677
01:26:53,130 --> 01:26:49,700
show with with John Anthony West are you

1678
01:27:00,600 --> 01:26:53,140
ready it was our seventh seventh

1679
01:27:05,140 --> 01:27:00,610
broadcast on January 6th 2014 incredible

1680
01:27:06,940 --> 01:27:05,150
and there you go but one of our last

1681
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:06,950
conversations one of the last times he

1682
01:27:13,300 --> 01:27:08,690
was on the show last year right before

1683
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:13,310
he fell ill he spent some time with me

1684
01:27:18,340 --> 01:27:16,130
on the phone for I was it was about a

1685
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:18,350
week's worth of conversations about

1686
01:27:24,130 --> 01:27:21,920
near-death experiences and you know

1687
01:27:25,450 --> 01:27:24,140
about that and he had added the book for

1688
01:27:28,570 --> 01:27:25,460
his friend and he was working on that

1689
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:28,580
yeah the dead Saints crying the dead

1690
01:27:33,770 --> 01:27:31,130
Saints Chronicles and he and so I was

1691
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:35,990
talk to him about Egypt there were some

1692
01:27:39,979 --> 01:27:37,679
things that we had on the table and he

1693
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:39,989
was okay with that but he kept stopping

1694
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,239
and steering the conversation these were

1695
01:27:47,779 --> 01:27:44,880
private conversations back to he's like

1696
01:27:50,180 --> 01:27:47,789
Jimmy we've got to do we can do a show

1697
01:27:51,859 --> 01:27:50,190
about that but I really want to talk

1698
01:27:54,350 --> 01:27:51,869
about the near-death experience there's

1699
01:27:58,580 --> 01:27:54,360
something going on here and his interest

1700
01:28:02,000 --> 01:27:58,590
was just right there oh absolutely

1701
01:28:05,209 --> 01:28:02,010
absolutely but I'll tell you he he had

1702
01:28:07,790 --> 01:28:05,219
that interest at least privately as long

1703
01:28:10,910 --> 01:28:07,800
as I knew him and when you start when

1704
01:28:14,180 --> 01:28:10,920
you look at some of his early even

1705
01:28:15,950 --> 01:28:14,190
fictional work you if you know him and

1706
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:15,960
served in hindsight and they say

1707
01:28:20,990 --> 01:28:18,090
hindsight's 20/20 but at least when I

1708
01:28:23,689 --> 01:28:21,000
read it you can see some of these

1709
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:23,699
interests already have had developed

1710
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:28,380
even back in the early mid sixties and

1711
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:30,570
his writing I want to thank you for

1712
01:28:35,419 --> 01:28:32,489
taking the time to come on tonight and

1713
01:28:38,899 --> 01:28:35,429
oh my pleasure my pleasure any time for

1714
01:28:41,180 --> 01:28:38,909
for her as I said might my really dear

1715
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,190
friend yeah you know what and your dear

1716
01:28:55,010 --> 01:28:43,440
friend is going you know Robert you held

1717
01:28:58,580 --> 01:28:55,020
back before thank you so much Robert

1718
01:29:00,770 --> 01:28:58,590
give my best to Katie and enjoy the rest

1719
01:29:02,689 --> 01:29:00,780
of your evening and we will speak very

1720
01:29:05,779 --> 01:29:02,699
very soon my friend thank you so much

1721
01:29:08,589 --> 01:29:05,789
okay thank you thank you dr. Robert

1722
01:29:12,140 --> 01:29:08,599
Schoch and it's dr. Robert Schoch

1723
01:29:13,819 --> 01:29:12,150
dot-com you have to go read his latest

1724
01:29:15,950 --> 01:29:13,829
article that he posted up there about

1725
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:15,960
John Anthony West it is absolutely

1726
01:29:21,140 --> 01:29:19,199
amazing only one person could write it

1727
01:29:23,419 --> 01:29:21,150
and that's Robert Schoch this is fade to

1728
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:23,429
black I'll be right back with chance

1729
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:26,250
gardener live from Australia this is our

1730
01:29:31,050 --> 01:29:28,800
John Anthony West tribute special we'll

1731
01:29:37,190 --> 01:29:31,060
be right back

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01:29:44,670 --> 01:29:40,400
way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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you're listening to fade to black always

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with Jamie Church on the game change in

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network hi i'm lisa vans you're

1791
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listening to jimmy church this is a

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revolution the revolution will not be

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televised the revolution is on radio

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[Laughter]

1795
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:23,270
welcome back fade to black this is our

1796
01:33:28,970 --> 01:33:26,880
John Anthony West special tribute want

1797
01:33:33,670 --> 01:33:28,980
to thank dr. Robert Schoch for coming in

1798
01:33:37,340 --> 01:33:33,680
and sharing some pretty funny stories

1799
01:33:40,810 --> 01:33:37,350
the best next step we have chance

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01:33:45,260 --> 01:33:40,820
gardener live from Australia director of

1801
01:33:48,440 --> 01:33:45,270
magical Egypt one in two and before I go

1802
01:33:51,170 --> 01:33:48,450
into a big long look I'm all choked up a

1803
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big long introduction I just want to

1804
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welcome back to fade to black chance

1805
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:55,200
gardener live from Australia chance good

1806
01:33:59,360 --> 01:33:58,080
evening good morning good morning and

1807
01:34:01,460 --> 01:33:59,370
good evening Jimmy Church it's a

1808
01:34:03,410 --> 01:34:01,470
pleasure to be here yeah and I wish it

1809
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,420
was different circumstances but this

1810
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:05,520
Alysha was under better circumstances

1811
01:34:14,780 --> 01:34:08,570
yeah yeah and you know this is the deal

1812
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:14,790
the he John would be so angry at us if

1813
01:34:22,430 --> 01:34:20,090
we went melancholy ain't about that and

1814
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:22,440
we were just laughing about that with

1815
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:24,210
Robin I'm sure you're listening to the

1816
01:34:29,690 --> 01:34:27,570
show but the the truth is he would use

1817
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:29,700
some very colorful language if we went

1818
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:32,370
in the wrong direction so we're not

1819
01:34:37,790 --> 01:34:35,760
gonna do that tonight are we know one of

1820
01:34:39,530 --> 01:34:37,800
the things that John was famous for is

1821
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:39,540
when he took a mind to it he could just

1822
01:34:44,620 --> 01:34:42,210
eviscerate you did not want him mad at

1823
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:44,630
you with his verbal skills and his brain

1824
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:48,330
he I've seen him take many a man apart

1825
01:34:56,780 --> 01:34:52,560
yes yes I you know what one day I'll

1826
01:34:58,760 --> 01:34:56,790
I'll start off with this story I'll keep

1827
01:35:02,930 --> 01:34:58,770
it brief but Rita and I were in

1828
01:35:05,210 --> 01:35:02,940
Manhattan and we went through the the

1829
01:35:07,550 --> 01:35:05,220
Egyptian wing at the Med which you know

1830
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:07,560
it's one of the great Egyptian you know

1831
01:35:12,830 --> 01:35:10,770
things to do outside of Egypt and and so

1832
01:35:15,860 --> 01:35:12,840
we did that so I called John and and

1833
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:15,870
Rita and I are walking littering through

1834
01:35:21,710 --> 01:35:19,530
Central Park and I've got jaws on the

1835
01:35:25,070 --> 01:35:21,720
phone and I was going back and forth

1836
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:25,080
between Robert and and jaws and I'm

1837
01:35:29,210 --> 01:35:28,080
talking to Charles about the the exhibit

1838
01:35:30,590 --> 01:35:29,220
and different things out there and I

1839
01:35:31,050 --> 01:35:30,600
wanted him to come on the show and we're

1840
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:31,060
gonna talk

1841
01:35:42,750 --> 01:35:35,440
things were anyway his mind is so oh I

1842
01:35:44,580 --> 01:35:42,760
got some bad wind okay you prom I'm just

1843
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:44,590
gonna let everybody know that chance

1844
01:35:49,740 --> 01:35:47,170
lives on the ocean he's got these

1845
01:35:53,250 --> 01:35:49,750
massive doors open in the breeze I'm

1846
01:35:56,990 --> 01:35:53,260
picturing the curtains blowing and the

1847
01:35:59,580 --> 01:35:57,000
Sun coming in you've got a mai tai

1848
01:36:06,330 --> 01:35:59,590
so how's that Jimmy everything's closed

1849
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:06,340
up unless I'm expelling okay so that was

1850
01:36:12,420 --> 01:36:10,690
John and so I'm talking to him about the

1851
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:12,430
exhibit and different things that I saw

1852
01:36:18,660 --> 01:36:15,250
his mind is so sharp he knew every

1853
01:36:22,260 --> 01:36:18,670
single object in the Egyptian wing at

1854
01:36:25,530 --> 01:36:22,270
the Met entirely and he corrected me

1855
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:25,540
laughing correcting me every step of the

1856
01:36:32,250 --> 01:36:27,010
way and I took it like a man

1857
01:36:32,670 --> 01:36:32,260
I mean it was just like he he knows his

1858
01:36:35,580 --> 01:36:32,680
stuff

1859
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:35,590
he knows his dates he knows his objects

1860
01:36:40,530 --> 01:36:38,560
he knows everything about that and I was

1861
01:36:43,410 --> 01:36:40,540
completely humbled by it and then he

1862
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:43,420
goes and Jimmy we can talk about all of

1863
01:36:49,170 --> 01:36:47,290
this on the show you know what can you

1864
01:36:52,170 --> 01:36:49,180
do right what can you do but that's

1865
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:52,180
that's him his mind was as as sharp as

1866
01:36:57,780 --> 01:36:54,010
anything especially when it came to

1867
01:36:59,190 --> 01:36:57,790
Egypt did he ever correct you you know

1868
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:59,200
it's funny I was just gonna say that I

1869
01:37:03,570 --> 01:37:00,880
have a relationship with him that was

1870
01:37:05,070 --> 01:37:03,580
very much like he was like a stern

1871
01:37:07,290 --> 01:37:05,080
martial arts instructor and he

1872
01:37:09,450 --> 01:37:07,300
constantly had a ruler out slapping me

1873
01:37:11,970 --> 01:37:09,460
in the forehead I was you know like a

1874
01:37:13,230 --> 01:37:11,980
young idiot television executive and I'd

1875
01:37:14,730 --> 01:37:13,240
done pretty well and that's pretty full

1876
01:37:17,550 --> 01:37:14,740
of myself when I was a young kid and I

1877
01:37:19,050 --> 01:37:17,560
first met him and really quickly when I

1878
01:37:21,450 --> 01:37:19,060
fell into his company it was clear that

1879
01:37:23,250 --> 01:37:21,460
he didn't quite think of me the same way

1880
01:37:25,140 --> 01:37:23,260
that I thought of myself and he'd

1881
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:25,150
correct my thinking which I just you

1882
01:37:29,730 --> 01:37:27,370
know most people aren't accustomed to

1883
01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:29,740
being corrected all the time and it took

1884
01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:32,950
quite a bit of I had to find this place

1885
01:37:36,260 --> 01:37:34,450
of humility that I didn't know that I

1886
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:36,270
had just like you know with any

1887
01:37:42,810 --> 01:37:39,970
instructor or any mentor and he was very

1888
01:37:44,060 --> 01:37:42,820
quick to slap me down and there's so

1889
01:37:45,860 --> 01:37:44,070
many automatic things

1890
01:37:47,900 --> 01:37:45,870
we do in so many ridiculous parts of

1891
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:47,910
speech and so much subliminal

1892
01:37:51,710 --> 01:37:49,650
programming that we have by the time we

1893
01:37:53,480 --> 01:37:51,720
get out of school and you don't really

1894
01:37:55,670 --> 01:37:53,490
realize that all those thoughts in your

1895
01:37:57,440 --> 01:37:55,680
head aren't yours and you know as an

1896
01:37:59,690 --> 01:37:57,450
artist I've never been a scientist you

1897
01:38:01,250 --> 01:37:59,700
know and as an artist I think it's

1898
01:38:02,540 --> 01:38:01,260
important for everyone to develop skills

1899
01:38:04,190 --> 01:38:02,550
in language that are precise and

1900
01:38:05,870 --> 01:38:04,200
accurate but if you're gonna be

1901
01:38:08,060 --> 01:38:05,880
discussing issues like this that are

1902
01:38:10,820 --> 01:38:08,070
such triggers and such hot buttons for

1903
01:38:13,580 --> 01:38:10,830
people and you need to be very precise

1904
01:38:17,300 --> 01:38:13,590
about the way you speak and although it

1905
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:17,310
wasn't pleasant at the time I really

1906
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:18,810
it's one of the million things I have to

1907
01:38:24,770 --> 01:38:21,600
thank John for is he you know as a trial

1908
01:38:27,170 --> 01:38:24,780
by fire and he never was merciful

1909
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:27,180
towards me if I spoke in sloppy language

1910
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:29,930
before I took something for granted or

1911
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:32,930
you know listened to people who

1912
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:35,010
shouldn't be listening to repeating

1913
01:38:38,270 --> 01:38:36,210
people I shouldn't have been you know it

1914
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:38,280
was all about free speech and everything

1915
01:38:42,620 --> 01:38:40,050
but when it came time to present these

1916
01:38:45,290 --> 01:38:42,630
certain ideas he was definitely a

1917
01:38:47,060 --> 01:38:45,300
crucible that I had to go through and it

1918
01:38:48,740 --> 01:38:47,070
took quite a bit of humility to do so

1919
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:48,750
and and I'm so much better for the

1920
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:52,080
experience and the other side which I

1921
01:38:59,090 --> 01:38:55,290
just adored about John was his sense of

1922
01:39:02,200 --> 01:38:59,100
humor the dude was funny what made him

1923
01:39:05,570 --> 01:39:02,210
what made you laugh when it came to John

1924
01:39:07,070 --> 01:39:05,580
his dark sense of humor and his ability

1925
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:07,080
to pick apart people that were really

1926
01:39:13,580 --> 01:39:11,280
self-important he didn't care for a

1927
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:13,590
whole lot of the New Atheists

1928
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:16,320
he and I had some differing opinions on

1929
01:39:21,140 --> 01:39:18,560
people like I really enjoy Christopher

1930
01:39:23,300 --> 01:39:21,150
Christopher Hitchins and people who have

1931
01:39:25,790 --> 01:39:23,310
such a clarity of intellect and such an

1932
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:25,800
ability to speak but whenever I bring up

1933
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:27,570
you know Christopher hare Christopher

1934
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:29,040
Hitchens or Sam Harris and especially

1935
01:39:33,110 --> 01:39:31,650
Richard Dawkins or John would go off it

1936
01:39:34,940 --> 01:39:33,120
was like watching a cat when a dog

1937
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:34,950
walked into room it's just there's

1938
01:39:38,150 --> 01:39:35,850
certain people he had these

1939
01:39:40,940 --> 01:39:38,160
philosophical differences with and he

1940
01:39:42,830 --> 01:39:40,950
was not only just able to eviscerate but

1941
01:39:44,990 --> 01:39:42,840
he was able to do it in such a funny way

1942
01:39:46,700 --> 01:39:45,000
and you know from your time with him

1943
01:39:48,710 --> 01:39:46,710
especially when he was around gerald

1944
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:48,720
Celente the two of those guys for these

1945
01:39:53,930 --> 01:39:50,970
little co-conspirators and just this

1946
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:53,940
factory for hilarious you know change

1947
01:39:58,540 --> 01:39:55,970
one work sent one letter in a

1948
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,550
word and make it hilarious like you know

1949
01:40:02,740 --> 01:40:00,320
the press became the prostitutes and

1950
01:40:05,110 --> 01:40:02,750
academics became quack Adem expand he

1951
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:05,120
just was never at a loss for a one-word

1952
01:40:10,330 --> 01:40:07,730
derogatory term for someone he didn't

1953
01:40:13,660 --> 01:40:10,340
approve of now one of my favorite things

1954
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:13,670
to do with him and it was so easy is all

1955
01:40:20,620 --> 01:40:17,090
I had to do was bring up Richard Dawkins

1956
01:40:21,970 --> 01:40:20,630
that's all I had in any context and then

1957
01:40:24,610 --> 01:40:21,980
I would just shut up

1958
01:40:28,330 --> 01:40:24,620
the name only had to be mentioned and it

1959
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:28,340
was one of my funnest things to do with

1960
01:40:32,590 --> 01:40:30,650
him and did you do that with him too as

1961
01:40:35,050 --> 01:40:32,600
well now you've just brought up Gerald

1962
01:40:40,380 --> 01:40:35,060
and I don't want to let that go too as

1963
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:45,520
black-and-white atheist non what's the

1964
01:40:50,290 --> 01:40:48,890
word I want to use non spiritual you

1965
01:40:52,210 --> 01:40:50,300
know people at aerialist yeah

1966
01:40:56,590 --> 01:40:52,220
materialists that just got under his

1967
01:40:59,080 --> 01:40:56,600
skin well the thing that really John's

1968
01:41:02,080 --> 01:40:59,090
contribution to humanity was to show

1969
01:41:04,510 --> 01:41:02,090
that ancient Egypt wasn't trying to tell

1970
01:41:06,970 --> 01:41:04,520
us a bunch of stories about animal

1971
01:41:09,670 --> 01:41:06,980
headed gods that through the use of this

1972
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:09,680
visual language they were transmitting

1973
01:41:13,390 --> 01:41:12,050
these schematics of psyche and these

1974
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:13,400
schematics of our kind of psycho

1975
01:41:19,570 --> 01:41:17,690
spiritual Anatomy if you will and the

1976
01:41:21,250 --> 01:41:19,580
most important thing you can do you have

1977
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:21,260
a small period of time in the physical

1978
01:41:25,330 --> 01:41:23,330
incarnation to get to know and to get to

1979
01:41:26,770 --> 01:41:25,340
wield your you know your higher aspects

1980
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:26,780
your mind and you know whatever the

1981
01:41:30,340 --> 01:41:28,370
psycho-spiritual the wings of

1982
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:30,350
architecture are that are you know the

1983
01:41:34,690 --> 01:41:31,730
higher aspects there's a lot to the

1984
01:41:38,740 --> 01:41:34,700
human experience that isn't physical and

1985
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:38,750
so he was never against science and he

1986
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:40,970
really brought the scientific method to

1987
01:41:44,020 --> 01:41:42,770
this genre which is a lot more than I

1988
01:41:46,270 --> 01:41:44,030
could say for you know most of the

1989
01:41:47,770 --> 01:41:46,280
people occupying this genre and the fact

1990
01:41:49,660 --> 01:41:47,780
that he brought Robert Schoch in I think

1991
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:49,670
is really what put John West on the map

1992
01:41:54,340 --> 01:41:51,410
because John knew that people like him

1993
01:41:56,620 --> 01:41:54,350
and people like me you only get so far

1994
01:41:58,510 --> 01:41:56,630
no matter how persuasive or how

1995
01:41:59,560 --> 01:41:58,520
well-spoken you are before scientists

1996
01:42:01,240 --> 01:41:59,570
are gonna say well you're not a

1997
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:01,250
scientist so why would we care what you

1998
01:42:05,770 --> 01:42:03,530
think so early on he brought Robert

1999
01:42:08,500 --> 01:42:05,780
Schoch in to anchor this thing in

2000
01:42:09,330 --> 01:42:08,510
science but the thing about science as

2001
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:09,340
we all know is

2002
01:42:12,959 --> 01:42:11,530
it's the mandate of science to focus on

2003
01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:12,969
what is measurable and what is

2004
01:42:18,270 --> 01:42:15,310
repeatable and there are things in the

2005
01:42:20,100 --> 01:42:18,280
newest and in the psyche you know the

2006
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:20,110
biggest mystery of all the science is

2007
01:42:23,250 --> 01:42:22,000
nobody knows what consciousness is

2008
01:42:24,689 --> 01:42:23,260
nobody knows what the hell consciousness

2009
01:42:27,390 --> 01:42:24,699
is and it's the biggest most central

2010
01:42:29,100 --> 01:42:27,400
thing it's like talking to a fish about

2011
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:29,110
water and they say what water I don't

2012
01:42:35,129 --> 01:42:30,610
know you're talking about watering right

2013
01:42:37,050 --> 01:42:35,139
and so when people tried to say there

2014
01:42:38,820 --> 01:42:37,060
was nothing but the physical and then

2015
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:38,830
all of your thoughts and all your

2016
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:41,050
emotions are a product of chemicals and

2017
01:42:46,140 --> 01:42:43,330
electrical impulses in the brain he did

2018
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:46,150
not care for that and um you know what I

2019
01:42:50,490 --> 01:42:48,250
found really interesting in in him too

2020
01:42:52,770 --> 01:42:50,500
is even when the tide was almost a

2021
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:52,780
feeding frenzy about ancient aliens and

2022
01:42:58,530 --> 01:42:55,360
stuff like that he got furious when he

2023
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:58,540
brought up the idea of aliens because it

2024
01:43:05,180 --> 01:43:01,360
was still a physical materialist

2025
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:05,190
explanation that just sort of offset the

2026
01:43:10,890 --> 01:43:08,080
offset the source of this information to

2027
01:43:13,470 --> 01:43:10,900
some other planet and really didn't

2028
01:43:17,580 --> 01:43:13,480
still acknowledge that special most

2029
01:43:19,290 --> 01:43:17,590
mysterious invisible thing that you know

2030
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:19,300
this invisible temple that we should all

2031
01:43:23,609 --> 01:43:22,000
be building that the Egyptians left you

2032
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:23,619
know rather specific instructions about

2033
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:26,080
how to build so that was the thing that

2034
01:43:29,870 --> 01:43:28,239
bothered him because you know was the

2035
01:43:32,220 --> 01:43:29,880
whole thing started out with this

2036
01:43:35,879 --> 01:43:32,230
maximum that most people get wrong when

2037
01:43:38,609 --> 01:43:35,889
they repeat it but early on some famous

2038
01:43:41,100 --> 01:43:38,619
scientist said we only understand about

2039
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:41,110
you know I was 2 or 10% we only

2040
01:43:45,810 --> 01:43:43,210
understand about 10% of what the brain

2041
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:45,820
does maybe it was 2% and he didn't say

2042
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:48,250
we only use 2% of our brains which is

2043
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:49,690
the common thing that everyone says but

2044
01:43:54,510 --> 01:43:51,040
he said we really only understand about

2045
01:43:57,510 --> 01:43:54,520
2% of what the brain does and that was

2046
01:43:59,129 --> 01:43:57,520
fair enough that all science can address

2047
01:44:01,589 --> 01:43:59,139
or these things that we can actually

2048
01:44:03,870 --> 01:44:01,599
measure and duplicate and repeat but at

2049
01:44:06,930 --> 01:44:03,880
some point science changed to an even

2050
01:44:08,879 --> 01:44:06,940
more radical materialism that said if we

2051
01:44:10,979 --> 01:44:08,889
can't measure it it doesn't exist which

2052
01:44:13,649 --> 01:44:10,989
is you know ridiculous try and take a

2053
01:44:16,140 --> 01:44:13,659
meter out and measure humor or you know

2054
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:16,150
measure the swell of a sonata or you

2055
01:44:20,430 --> 01:44:18,400
know measure the what makes your eyes

2056
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:20,440
dilate when you see a beautiful woman or

2057
01:44:23,620 --> 01:44:21,770
you hear a fantastic

2058
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:23,630
explain an old Dwayne Eddie song you

2059
01:44:27,940 --> 01:44:25,850
know there's a lot to life I might argue

2060
01:44:30,580 --> 01:44:27,950
John would certainly argue that the best

2061
01:44:33,550 --> 01:44:30,590
parts of life happened when you're not

2062
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:33,560
dwelling on the material you know and so

2063
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:35,570
that's what that was the nature of his

2064
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:37,970
complaint with him is that science moved

2065
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:39,770
out of their jurisdiction to say not

2066
01:44:42,940 --> 01:44:41,570
first first honestly we don't know what

2067
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:42,950
it does and then to say well there's

2068
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:45,410
nothing except what we know and that's

2069
01:44:50,710 --> 01:44:48,050
what bothered him about Richard Dawkins

2070
01:44:52,570 --> 01:44:50,720
and also as he was just such a sword

2071
01:44:55,210 --> 01:44:52,580
fighter he was such a swashbuckler and

2072
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:55,220
you know the way I would imagine any

2073
01:44:58,240 --> 01:44:57,050
mixed martial artist when I see another

2074
01:45:00,220 --> 01:44:58,250
martial artist that's big and

2075
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:00,230
intimidating they're gonna kind of work

2076
01:45:04,330 --> 01:45:02,210
on their game a little bit and you know

2077
01:45:05,170 --> 01:45:04,340
do extra a little bit of work out when

2078
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:05,180
they know that they're going to be in

2079
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:07,040
the ring with these people so I think in

2080
01:45:11,050 --> 01:45:08,960
the back of his mind he was always sort

2081
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:11,060
of subconsciously preparing for that

2082
01:45:15,820 --> 01:45:12,650
inevitable day when he squared off with

2083
01:45:18,220 --> 01:45:15,830
Dawkins or a you know a Hitchens or a

2084
01:45:21,220 --> 01:45:18,230
Sam Harris and unfortunately that never

2085
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:21,230
came and I was to ask you that did he

2086
01:45:27,190 --> 01:45:24,410
ever did he ever go face-to-face with a

2087
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:27,200
Dawkins you know what he never did and

2088
01:45:31,690 --> 01:45:28,880
never was in the room and never talked

2089
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:31,700
to Hitchens or he'd man he didn't care

2090
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:33,410
for Daniel Dennett either he was part of

2091
01:45:37,300 --> 01:45:34,010
that too

2092
01:45:39,100 --> 01:45:37,310
you know those those four I was one time

2093
01:45:40,210 --> 01:45:39,110
we're in the mina house just eating

2094
01:45:42,430 --> 01:45:40,220
lunch and i think there are some

2095
01:45:49,300 --> 01:45:42,440
cocktails involved and i look up and i

2096
01:45:51,190 --> 01:45:49,310
see mark later wondering really oh i'm

2097
01:45:53,260 --> 01:45:51,200
not usually such a subtle person and I'm

2098
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:53,270
normally not a stir like this but he

2099
01:45:56,110 --> 01:45:54,800
because he was walking kind of bias and

2100
01:45:58,060 --> 01:45:56,120
he didn't see John and John didn't see

2101
01:45:59,470 --> 01:45:58,070
him but I kind of leaned back and acted

2102
01:46:01,690 --> 01:45:59,480
like I dropped something and I blocked

2103
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:01,700
laners passage for a minute so that

2104
01:46:04,930 --> 01:46:03,650
later it would stop and they both look

2105
01:46:07,420 --> 01:46:04,940
up at the same time and they both see

2106
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:07,430
each other and they had this exchange

2107
01:46:13,270 --> 01:46:10,930
that started out polite that Lehner said

2108
01:46:13,690 --> 01:46:13,280
hi and John said later what are you

2109
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:13,700
doing here

2110
01:46:18,370 --> 01:46:16,400
and later instantly said oh I'm just

2111
01:46:19,900 --> 01:46:18,380
trying so desperately to prove that the

2112
01:46:21,730 --> 01:46:19,910
Sphinx is only three thousand years old

2113
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:21,740
it was some caddy response that Laird

2114
01:46:27,010 --> 01:46:23,930
had to something John and said earlier

2115
01:46:28,690 --> 01:46:27,020
and just without a beat John said well

2116
01:46:31,090 --> 01:46:28,700
try as you won't try and she will you

2117
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:31,100
never will prove that it's just instant

2118
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:33,170
exchange that was so quick but it was so

2119
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:34,530
rapier and

2120
01:46:37,670 --> 01:46:36,090
both men walked their separate ways and

2121
01:46:41,540 --> 01:46:37,680
I just inside I was applauding like a

2122
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:41,550
little boy because I played man well

2123
01:46:49,480 --> 01:46:47,130
played well done the I wanted to ask you

2124
01:46:50,930 --> 01:46:49,490
about that actually when you were

2125
01:46:53,870 --> 01:46:50,940
privately

2126
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:53,880
you know dinner drinks with John what

2127
01:46:58,100 --> 01:46:56,730
did you guys talk about you know the

2128
01:46:59,630 --> 01:46:58,110
thing that we talked about more than

2129
01:47:01,880 --> 01:46:59,640
anything and I don't know how many

2130
01:47:04,190 --> 01:47:01,890
people know this about John John was a

2131
01:47:06,290 --> 01:47:04,200
child of the theater John loved the

2132
01:47:09,530 --> 01:47:06,300
theater his first wife I believe its

2133
01:47:11,900 --> 01:47:09,540
second wife um were theater people and

2134
01:47:14,090 --> 01:47:11,910
he was a playwright first and foremost

2135
01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:14,100
and the only time so we always got along

2136
01:47:18,170 --> 01:47:15,840
really well in that kind of father-son

2137
01:47:21,230 --> 01:47:18,180
way slash martial arts instructor way

2138
01:47:24,260 --> 01:47:21,240
where he was punishing me a lot but I we

2139
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:24,270
were really really good friends and when

2140
01:47:29,390 --> 01:47:26,010
I was at the networks and I you know

2141
01:47:31,580 --> 01:47:29,400
occupied a place where in his mind he

2142
01:47:33,110 --> 01:47:31,590
kept showing me these plays and he

2143
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:33,120
wanted me to take him to the network and

2144
01:47:36,530 --> 01:47:34,770
see if I could get some you know some

2145
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:36,540
real attention for them but the Broadway

2146
01:47:42,170 --> 01:47:39,450
play it's a beautiful place so the thing

2147
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:42,180
that amazed me about him was in addition

2148
01:47:46,190 --> 01:47:44,730
to this remarkable contribution he made

2149
01:47:49,010 --> 01:47:46,200
to the scientific world and kind of the

2150
01:47:51,980 --> 01:47:49,020
metaphysical occult world his plays and

2151
01:47:54,440 --> 01:47:51,990
short stories were so funny and so

2152
01:47:56,150 --> 01:47:54,450
interesting but he wasn't bound to a

2153
01:47:57,560 --> 01:47:56,160
certain topic or a certain subject and

2154
01:48:00,140 --> 01:47:57,570
he didn't have to be so careful about

2155
01:48:03,140 --> 01:48:00,150
how he spoke and so he could get wild

2156
01:48:05,420 --> 01:48:03,150
and pornographic and just hilarious and

2157
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:05,430
mean-spirited but the guy could really

2158
01:48:09,530 --> 01:48:08,250
speak in allegories I think what happens

2159
01:48:11,090 --> 01:48:09,540
to anybody if you spend enough time in

2160
01:48:13,310 --> 01:48:11,100
symbolism or if you have a natural

2161
01:48:14,750 --> 01:48:13,320
aptitude towards symbolism it meets it

2162
01:48:18,170 --> 01:48:14,760
you have a you know a pretty functional

2163
01:48:20,090 --> 01:48:18,180
right hemisphere and that your building

2164
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:20,100
blocks or your playthings are metaphors

2165
01:48:25,490 --> 01:48:24,000
an allegory and so in John's plays every

2166
01:48:28,220 --> 01:48:25,500
single one of them was a critique on

2167
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:28,230
modern society and they were just as

2168
01:48:32,270 --> 01:48:31,410
vicious and just as hilarious as you

2169
01:48:35,060 --> 01:48:32,280
know the things that he would say

2170
01:48:37,820 --> 01:48:35,070
offhandedly but one of these days I

2171
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:37,830
suspect like philip k dick people are

2172
01:48:41,780 --> 01:48:39,450
going to take a hard look at the plays

2173
01:48:43,670 --> 01:48:41,790
that he's written and the short stories

2174
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:43,680
because they're all so good and every

2175
01:48:47,930 --> 01:48:45,930
one of them is ripe for adaptation to a

2176
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:47,940
film or a play or you know some

2177
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,650
kind of television treatment and I

2178
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:51,360
always regretted not being able to do

2179
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:53,489
that for him that you know as we all are

2180
01:48:58,939 --> 01:48:55,410
just struggling to keep our heads above

2181
01:49:00,410 --> 01:48:58,949
water I just I was never in a position

2182
01:49:02,510 --> 01:49:00,420
to do anything to help him out in that

2183
01:49:03,500 --> 01:49:02,520
regard and I really regret that because

2184
01:49:06,830 --> 01:49:03,510
I feel like that would have made him

2185
01:49:09,470 --> 01:49:06,840
very happy lady when you first started

2186
01:49:10,930 --> 01:49:09,480
your first trips over to Egypt and you

2187
01:49:14,930 --> 01:49:10,940
you know you started this relationship

2188
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:14,940
and developing the series magical Egypt

2189
01:49:20,300 --> 01:49:17,489
one when when you were going through

2190
01:49:25,130 --> 01:49:20,310
that initial stage what impressed you

2191
01:49:27,590 --> 01:49:25,140
most I have my things too as well that I

2192
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:27,600
can't get rid of when I think about that

2193
01:49:32,740 --> 01:49:30,570
you know what what what what was it

2194
01:49:35,090 --> 01:49:32,750
where you just step back and went whoa

2195
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:35,100
well keep in mind at the time I was

2196
01:49:39,410 --> 01:49:37,290
working on the Fox lot and my job was to

2197
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:39,420
shoot promo so every star of every TV

2198
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:40,800
show would come down and I would shoot

2199
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:43,290
among green screen and watch next

2200
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:45,449
Tuesday then fox mulder finds an alien

2201
01:49:51,229 --> 01:49:48,050
right on fox let's see and so every

2202
01:49:53,900 --> 01:49:51,239
celebrity I've ever met has been a

2203
01:49:56,750 --> 01:49:53,910
psycho a self-entitled you know there's

2204
01:49:58,220 --> 01:49:56,760
a special kind of insanity and especial

2205
01:50:00,140 --> 01:49:58,230
kind of monster you become when you're

2206
01:50:02,180 --> 01:50:00,150
surrounded by yes men and you

2207
01:50:04,700 --> 01:50:02,190
internalize your fame and whatnot and so

2208
01:50:07,220 --> 01:50:04,710
I learned and I had some rock and roll

2209
01:50:08,810 --> 01:50:07,230
friends in Los Angeles as you do not the

2210
01:50:10,340 --> 01:50:08,820
caliber that you do but anyway you know

2211
01:50:12,350 --> 01:50:10,350
when you're around famous people there's

2212
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:12,360
this dynamic where you really have to

2213
01:50:16,580 --> 01:50:14,010
watch yourself and watch what you say

2214
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:16,590
and when I met John I could not believe

2215
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:19,770
how absolutely casual unaware of his

2216
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:23,850
fame on I'm assuming a very kind man

2217
01:50:28,610 --> 01:50:26,250
your time to talk to anybody and the

2218
01:50:30,830 --> 01:50:28,620
reason that his trips were such a treat

2219
01:50:33,709 --> 01:50:30,840
was that any man or woman from any walk

2220
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:33,719
of life could show up and hang out with

2221
01:50:38,030 --> 01:50:35,850
John for three weeks and he was just

2222
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:38,040
never treated any one person different

2223
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:39,810
than another and never got that

2224
01:50:44,810 --> 01:50:43,050
psychosis where he thought he was some

2225
01:50:47,450 --> 01:50:44,820
really important thing that he should be

2226
01:50:49,490 --> 01:50:47,460
treated specially so he was very easy to

2227
01:50:51,770 --> 01:50:49,500
be around and he had this wonderful

2228
01:50:54,620 --> 01:50:51,780
baritone voice that was just like this

2229
01:50:56,930 --> 01:50:54,630
big overstuffed leather chair and so you

2230
01:50:58,280 --> 01:50:56,940
just hang out with him and could God the

2231
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:58,290
amount of alcohol that we would pass

2232
01:51:00,940 --> 01:50:59,760
through us you know it's Egypt there's

2233
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:00,950
nothing to do you know when

2234
01:51:05,170 --> 01:51:02,960
temples aren't open right and so just

2235
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:05,180
the stories and the fun the camaraderie

2236
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:07,520
and as you said the sense of humor but

2237
01:51:12,490 --> 01:51:10,330
his generous nough sand the absolute

2238
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:12,500
surrealism of being around somebody who

2239
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:14,810
I still can't get a grip on how famous

2240
01:51:18,940 --> 01:51:17,450
he was because he was such an important

2241
01:51:21,130 --> 01:51:18,950
thing in my life and the people that

2242
01:51:22,030 --> 01:51:21,140
know him he's a huge thing but then

2243
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:22,040
there's so many people that have never

2244
01:51:26,860 --> 01:51:25,250
heard of him so but it was his humility

2245
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:26,870
it was a very rare thing for somebody of

2246
01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:29,840
his caliber yeah I told the story last

2247
01:51:33,130 --> 01:51:32,480
week but it bears repeating it was just

2248
01:51:36,580 --> 01:51:33,140
so funny

2249
01:51:38,830 --> 01:51:36,590
the first no the second time a second

2250
01:51:43,170 --> 01:51:38,840
time he was on with us we were doing a

2251
01:51:47,890 --> 01:51:43,180
remote broadcast right and so anyway

2252
01:51:50,980 --> 01:51:47,900
Linda Moulton Howe and John were coming

2253
01:51:53,470 --> 01:51:50,990
down to be on the show they didn't

2254
01:51:56,500 --> 01:51:53,480
realize that we had just wrapped we had

2255
01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:56,510
just done three hours live and but now

2256
01:52:01,150 --> 01:51:59,360
here comes John and Linda and John comes

2257
01:52:04,270 --> 01:52:01,160
up and he goes okay let's go I was like

2258
01:52:08,230 --> 01:52:04,280
well we just wrapped so what start this

2259
01:52:11,530 --> 01:52:08,240
show up again brah let's keep going

2260
01:52:13,450 --> 01:52:11,540
I said really so we sat down and what I

2261
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:13,460
thought and I think I told them we could

2262
01:52:20,650 --> 01:52:18,050
do five minutes we did an hour and we

2263
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:20,660
sat there the two of us those pictures

2264
01:52:26,130 --> 01:52:23,450
let me see if those are up Rita was yeah

2265
01:52:31,050 --> 01:52:26,140
okay here's one I'm gonna retweet this

2266
01:52:34,030 --> 01:52:31,060
to everybody this is this is one and

2267
01:52:38,590 --> 01:52:34,040
there's another one Rita post the one

2268
01:52:41,470 --> 01:52:38,600
with a Linda with the two of them so

2269
01:52:43,450 --> 01:52:41,480
this is John and I I think this picture

2270
01:52:45,820 --> 01:52:43,460
was actually after the broadcast now

2271
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:45,830
look if you can look at this later

2272
01:52:50,440 --> 01:52:46,730
chance

2273
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:50,450
look at me I'm toasted sunburnt tired

2274
01:52:55,480 --> 01:52:52,130
run in the ground

2275
01:52:58,570 --> 01:52:55,490
look at John standing up straight eyes

2276
01:53:00,580 --> 01:52:58,580
wide open it's midnight

2277
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:00,590
you know what's up little man you're too

2278
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:04,730
tired to hang with me you know and it

2279
01:53:08,890 --> 01:53:07,370
was just really really funny no normally

2280
01:53:11,260 --> 01:53:08,900
that's exactly what you're talking about

2281
01:53:13,899 --> 01:53:11,270
nor the whole star thing right the whole

2282
01:53:16,839 --> 01:53:13,909
ego narcissistic you know kind of thing

2283
01:53:18,609 --> 01:53:16,849
that was not in his life anybody else

2284
01:53:21,100 --> 01:53:18,619
would have come down and said oh you

2285
01:53:24,459 --> 01:53:21,110
guys are wrapped okay done and walked

2286
01:53:28,330 --> 01:53:24,469
away that's not what jaws did that night

2287
01:53:33,310 --> 01:53:28,340
he said let's go and then and this is

2288
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:33,320
and this is the truth beyond words he

2289
01:53:39,909 --> 01:53:36,489
hung out with the fans that were there

2290
01:53:41,919 --> 01:53:39,919
for for another hour you know taking

2291
01:53:45,399 --> 01:53:41,929
pictures and hanging out and telling

2292
01:53:48,909 --> 01:53:45,409
stories and and just took it as far as

2293
01:53:51,549 --> 01:53:48,919
the fans wanted to take it you know no

2294
01:53:53,169 --> 01:53:51,559
ego and and that's the truth okay here

2295
01:53:57,459 --> 01:53:53,179
we go Rita just posted this I'm gonna

2296
01:54:00,100 --> 01:53:57,469
retweet this this picture here and again

2297
01:54:03,069 --> 01:54:00,110
I want everybody to look this picture is

2298
01:54:06,489 --> 01:54:03,079
very very telling look at me

2299
01:54:09,850 --> 01:54:06,499
I am toast you can look at my face I am

2300
01:54:12,250 --> 01:54:09,860
just I've had the longest day three

2301
01:54:14,679 --> 01:54:12,260
hours on the air and the prep before

2302
01:54:18,359 --> 01:54:14,689
that Linda bright-eyed and bushy-tailed

2303
01:54:21,729 --> 01:54:18,369
John sitting up straight going bring it

2304
01:54:24,069 --> 01:54:21,739
right and it's really the truth and that

2305
01:54:25,810 --> 01:54:24,079
is what kind of guy he was and and

2306
01:54:27,310 --> 01:54:25,820
there's a shot glass that's tipped over

2307
01:54:30,819 --> 01:54:27,320
on the table too if you look really

2308
01:54:35,439 --> 01:54:30,829
close but yeah and that's that's that's

2309
01:54:37,839 --> 01:54:35,449
who he was and I will never the one

2310
01:54:39,609 --> 01:54:37,849
there's so many things I can say right

2311
01:54:43,810 --> 01:54:39,619
now but there was one thing about John

2312
01:54:46,270 --> 01:54:43,820
he never he never once made me feel

2313
01:54:48,729 --> 01:54:46,280
uncomfortable or those around him I'm

2314
01:54:51,969 --> 01:54:48,739
not making this personal those around

2315
01:54:55,479 --> 01:54:51,979
him he never ever did that he was just

2316
01:55:00,009 --> 01:54:55,489
always open to hearing everybody else's

2317
01:55:03,399 --> 01:55:00,019
opinions thoughts and never cut anybody

2318
01:55:05,049 --> 01:55:03,409
off now when he was speaking and that

2319
01:55:08,020 --> 01:55:05,059
was the other thing oh I want to know if

2320
01:55:11,169 --> 01:55:08,030
he did this with you he if I didn't

2321
01:55:15,339 --> 01:55:11,179
interrupt him he could bust off 60

2322
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:15,349
straight minutes that's funny you say

2323
01:55:19,719 --> 01:55:17,599
that I you know there's some years right

2324
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:19,729
I talk to him every day you know right

2325
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:22,610
and I get on the phone with him and we'd

2326
01:55:26,220 --> 01:55:24,800
be talking and he was in New York and I

2327
01:55:27,450 --> 01:55:26,230
was in California and this is a

2328
01:55:28,770 --> 01:55:27,460
days of cellphones you know when

2329
01:55:31,890 --> 01:55:28,780
cellphones to break out I'm sure they

2330
01:55:34,710 --> 01:55:31,900
still do but so we'd be talking on the

2331
01:55:38,190 --> 01:55:34,720
phone and he'd start he'd launch into a

2332
01:55:39,060 --> 01:55:38,200
story and the phone would give out and

2333
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:39,070
I'd call him back

2334
01:55:42,780 --> 01:55:41,410
and his phone would be busy so I call

2335
01:55:44,700 --> 01:55:42,790
him back again this phone is still busy

2336
01:55:46,710 --> 01:55:44,710
until I wait like two minutes and his

2337
01:55:48,630 --> 01:55:46,720
phone was still busy and I waited like

2338
01:55:51,180 --> 01:55:48,640
15 minutes and I called him back again

2339
01:55:52,590 --> 01:55:51,190
this phone was still busy 25 minutes

2340
01:55:55,860 --> 01:55:52,600
later I called him back his phone was

2341
01:55:57,450 --> 01:55:55,870
still busy like 30 to 37 minutes later I

2342
01:56:00,479 --> 01:55:57,460
call him back and he answers the phone

2343
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:00,489
and he's like how long have you been off

2344
01:56:08,940 --> 01:56:05,920
the phone did you get all that freight

2345
01:56:11,700 --> 01:56:08,950
train for 37 minutes not realizing that

2346
01:56:16,170 --> 01:56:11,710
the phone and that happened so many

2347
01:56:19,860 --> 01:56:16,180
times oh man that is exactly that is

2348
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:19,870
spot on spot on the money I never did I

2349
01:56:26,850 --> 01:56:24,370
oh man I want to say something that I'm

2350
01:56:30,210 --> 01:56:26,860
just gonna hold back on but he would do

2351
01:56:33,420 --> 01:56:30,220
just that and I would I would just stay

2352
01:56:35,729 --> 01:56:33,430
focused and what we would have these

2353
01:56:39,090 --> 01:56:35,739
conversations getting into symbolism and

2354
01:56:41,790 --> 01:56:39,100
very specific things that were was way

2355
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:41,800
beyond my scope of research and

2356
01:56:47,580 --> 01:56:44,650
understanding and and I just sat there

2357
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:47,590
and and paid attention you know and I

2358
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:51,010
learned so much and he would not stop he

2359
01:56:58,190 --> 01:56:55,570
had so much to say and I just incredible

2360
01:57:01,080 --> 01:56:58,200
shows I just shared this with Robert but

2361
01:57:03,180 --> 01:57:01,090
it I'm just gonna repeat it now because

2362
01:57:06,210 --> 01:57:03,190
it goes too with what you're saying now

2363
01:57:09,780 --> 01:57:06,220
the first time he was on with us and I

2364
01:57:13,020 --> 01:57:09,790
told him it was going to be two hours he

2365
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:13,030
said that's not long enough and I said

2366
01:57:16,500 --> 01:57:14,560
what do you mean he said well how long's

2367
01:57:19,170 --> 01:57:16,510
this show us in three hours it goes okay

2368
01:57:22,770 --> 01:57:19,180
man well I need the whole three Wow and

2369
01:57:25,170 --> 01:57:22,780
and that's you know I learned my lesson

2370
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:25,180
of course it was absolutely right he

2371
01:57:30,810 --> 01:57:27,850
needs at least three hours but that's

2372
01:57:32,700 --> 01:57:30,820
he's got too much to say I don't know

2373
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:32,710
anything he knows everything

2374
01:57:37,229 --> 01:57:35,530
I used to joke with him because you know

2375
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:37,239
is we had a strange relationship where

2376
01:57:40,430 --> 01:57:38,970
as an interviewer and

2377
01:57:42,230 --> 01:57:40,440
especially like when I got into this and

2378
01:57:45,110 --> 01:57:42,240
certain things I'm extremely interested

2379
01:57:46,940 --> 01:57:45,120
in so I'm constantly like going down

2380
01:57:49,910 --> 01:57:46,950
that wing with him let's talk about this

2381
01:57:51,410 --> 01:57:49,920
let's talk about this and I would ask

2382
01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:51,420
him things and the reason I would ask

2383
01:57:54,050 --> 01:57:52,770
him things is because I know that he has

2384
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:54,060
good riff you know after spending so

2385
01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:55,530
much time in Egypt with him and just you

2386
01:58:02,360 --> 01:57:57,450
know at home and he spent a lot of time

2387
01:58:04,940 --> 01:58:02,370
at my place in LA and Los Feliz I knew

2388
01:58:07,310 --> 01:58:04,950
these riffs and so as a professor as an

2389
01:58:09,380 --> 01:58:07,320
interviewer you want to put the shortest

2390
01:58:10,940 --> 01:58:09,390
distance between you and a good riff of

2391
01:58:12,830 --> 01:58:10,950
John's possible so I would ask these

2392
01:58:14,930 --> 01:58:12,840
things that I knew that he had good

2393
01:58:16,160 --> 01:58:14,940
riffs about and frequently he'd go well

2394
01:58:17,420 --> 01:58:16,170
I don't know anything about that I'm

2395
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:17,430
like no I know you do because you said

2396
01:58:19,370 --> 01:58:18,450
something yesterday I wouldn't have

2397
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:19,380
asked you if I didn't think he know

2398
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:21,360
about it let's talk about this and I

2399
01:58:25,370 --> 01:58:22,800
would ended up telling him and I do

2400
01:58:27,380 --> 01:58:25,380
still believe this that he had something

2401
01:58:28,790 --> 01:58:27,390
like a Smithsonian Institution in his

2402
01:58:31,310 --> 01:58:28,800
head like when you go to the Smithsonian

2403
01:58:33,170 --> 01:58:31,320
don't plan on looking at it in a day you

2404
01:58:34,700 --> 01:58:33,180
gotta take a week and walk around in it

2405
01:58:36,650 --> 01:58:34,710
and you have this warehouse of

2406
01:58:39,050 --> 01:58:36,660
information in his head and I was like

2407
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:39,060
this little kid just I love roaming

2408
01:58:43,490 --> 01:58:41,370
around in that warehouse of knowledge in

2409
01:58:44,570 --> 01:58:43,500
his head and towards the end I was kind

2410
01:58:46,010 --> 01:58:44,580
of thinking you know I know more about

2411
01:58:48,380 --> 01:58:46,020
what's in your head than you do cuz I

2412
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:48,390
have to remind you I'm not you know not

2413
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:49,890
it's just like he knew so much and he

2414
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:52,170
had so much going on I'd still be

2415
01:58:55,010 --> 01:58:53,490
interested in some simple little thing

2416
01:58:57,500 --> 01:58:55,020
he said you know five or six years ago

2417
01:59:00,200 --> 01:58:57,510
and he's on to new and better things and

2418
01:59:01,940 --> 01:59:00,210
so it was interesting to me cuz I used

2419
01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:01,950
to tell him that all the time that he he

2420
01:59:05,660 --> 01:59:03,570
had the Smithsonian Institution in his

2421
01:59:07,490 --> 01:59:05,670
head and I've become kind of a librarian

2422
01:59:09,950 --> 01:59:07,500
with a coding system where I know where

2423
01:59:12,470 --> 01:59:09,960
he keeps all the weird files and one of

2424
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:12,480
the things that made our synergy work is

2425
01:59:18,110 --> 01:59:16,050
I'm very interested in esotericism and

2426
01:59:20,810 --> 01:59:18,120
Western esotericism and stuff and he's

2427
01:59:22,610 --> 01:59:20,820
he's aware of it he can speak to it and

2428
01:59:26,270 --> 01:59:22,620
really I would have to say he's one of

2429
01:59:28,130 --> 01:59:26,280
the most informed people about occult

2430
01:59:31,400 --> 01:59:28,140
and metaphysical things in the esoteric

2431
01:59:32,750 --> 01:59:31,410
nature and and yet he's so interested in

2432
01:59:35,870 --> 01:59:32,760
just all this practical science and

2433
01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:35,880
geology and stuff so I really kind of

2434
01:59:41,540 --> 01:59:38,610
shined a light on these esoteric issues

2435
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:41,550
and kind of psycho-spiritual issues that

2436
01:59:45,740 --> 01:59:43,890
weren't his normal for ray but that he

2437
01:59:48,410 --> 01:59:45,750
really fluoresced when he talked about

2438
01:59:49,970 --> 01:59:48,420
these things and and I think that was

2439
01:59:52,230 --> 01:59:49,980
part of the thing that gave magical

2440
01:59:53,940 --> 01:59:52,240
Egypt its legs because we're talking to

2441
01:59:56,490 --> 01:59:53,950
community that's often overlooked and

2442
01:59:58,830 --> 01:59:56,500
it's a massive and very you know I would

2443
02:00:00,720 --> 01:59:58,840
large percentage of creativity and

2444
02:00:02,190 --> 02:00:00,730
original thinking in the world over

2445
02:00:03,660 --> 02:00:02,200
history and a large percentage of the

2446
02:00:06,030 --> 02:00:03,670
best art is done by this particular

2447
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:06,040
crowd and nobody ever pays attention to

2448
02:00:09,390 --> 02:00:07,930
them directly because there's other

2449
02:00:11,460 --> 02:00:09,400
crowds that get mad you know when you

2450
02:00:13,140 --> 02:00:11,470
bring up certain subjects and so he

2451
02:00:15,780 --> 02:00:13,150
would just so effortlessly could move

2452
02:00:21,030 --> 02:00:15,790
from circle to circle to circle but the

2453
02:00:23,400 --> 02:00:21,040
vast variety and array of things that he

2454
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:23,410
could speak to was just another one of

2455
02:00:27,750 --> 02:00:25,450
those things that made him superpower

2456
02:00:30,450 --> 02:00:27,760
let's take a break right here this is

2457
02:00:32,970 --> 02:00:30,460
our John Anthony West tribute special

2458
02:00:35,850 --> 02:00:32,980
our guest right now is chance Gardner

2459
02:00:39,120 --> 02:00:35,860
from Australia director of magical Egypt

2460
02:00:41,190 --> 02:00:39,130
1 & 2 with John Anthony West and we're

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gonna continue our tribute right after

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this short break this is fade to black

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we'll be right back

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this is fade to black

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2548
02:05:10,630 --> 02:05:07,479
welcome back fade to black

2549
02:05:15,610 --> 02:05:10,640
this is our John Anthony West special

2550
02:05:17,709 --> 02:05:15,620
tribute he passed away last week and

2551
02:05:20,050 --> 02:05:17,719
with this right now is chance Gardner

2552
02:05:22,660 --> 02:05:20,060
live from Australia he directed magical

2553
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:22,670
Egypt one and two with John Anthony West

2554
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:24,800
and I'm opening up the phone lines three

2555
02:05:29,950 --> 02:05:26,810
two three eight two five five zero four

2556
02:05:31,930 --> 02:05:29,960
five and if you met John and you have a

2557
02:05:35,470 --> 02:05:31,940
story you'd like to share with us give

2558
02:05:36,700 --> 02:05:35,480
us a call and there you go so I'm going

2559
02:05:44,010 --> 02:05:36,710
to open up the phone lines right now

2560
02:05:50,590 --> 02:05:44,020
now chance the restoration of the Sphinx

2561
02:05:54,430 --> 02:05:50,600
yet do you think because of what you

2562
02:05:56,950 --> 02:05:54,440
know jaws and and and Robert did well

2563
02:06:00,459 --> 02:05:56,960
and and you pushing that along too with

2564
02:06:03,360 --> 02:06:00,469
the series do you think that that in in

2565
02:06:08,770 --> 02:06:03,370
a strange way maybe trying to cover up

2566
02:06:12,370 --> 02:06:08,780
John's research Zahi there were times

2567
02:06:15,820 --> 02:06:12,380
when Zahi physically chased John over

2568
02:06:17,860 --> 02:06:15,830
the plateau in his famous movie mystery

2569
02:06:19,660 --> 02:06:17,870
of the Sphinx when he and Robert Schoch

2570
02:06:21,670 --> 02:06:19,670
we're doing seismographs you know

2571
02:06:22,900 --> 02:06:21,680
sometimes in Egypt if you want to get

2572
02:06:24,459 --> 02:06:22,910
anything done you just have to go do it

2573
02:06:25,690 --> 02:06:24,469
if you start asking for permission the

2574
02:06:27,820 --> 02:06:25,700
hands come out and all of a sudden

2575
02:06:29,709 --> 02:06:27,830
you're drowning in a sea of bribes and

2576
02:06:31,180 --> 02:06:29,719
stuff and so the best way to get things

2577
02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:31,190
done it's kind of the guerilla method

2578
02:06:39,670 --> 02:06:34,690
and John was never afraid of that and so

2579
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:39,680
frequently za he would just shut him

2580
02:06:43,780 --> 02:06:41,930
down and it took a long time for them to

2581
02:06:45,640 --> 02:06:43,790
reach this kind of date on where they

2582
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:45,650
were sort of begrudging friends at the

2583
02:06:54,340 --> 02:06:52,610
end but yeah there was I cannot put this

2584
02:06:56,770 --> 02:06:54,350
into words yet and by the end of this

2585
02:06:59,100 --> 02:06:56,780
series I hope to put it into words there

2586
02:07:02,320 --> 02:06:59,110
seems to be an institutional resistance

2587
02:07:04,180 --> 02:07:02,330
to acknowledging some little thing

2588
02:07:06,340 --> 02:07:04,190
there's something about our past that

2589
02:07:08,650 --> 02:07:06,350
has to do with ancient Egypt that we are

2590
02:07:11,500 --> 02:07:08,660
forbidden to know about I know it sounds

2591
02:07:13,209 --> 02:07:11,510
like an insane conspiracy theory but you

2592
02:07:14,660 --> 02:07:13,219
know in this day and age when Q is

2593
02:07:16,610 --> 02:07:14,670
posting and

2594
02:07:18,650 --> 02:07:16,620
you know in the intelligence community

2595
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:18,660
in that way of thinking is kind of very

2596
02:07:23,630 --> 02:07:20,250
forefront in all of our minds these days

2597
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:23,640
and you can kind of tell my education

2598
02:07:27,320 --> 02:07:25,770
was in media as I'm sure yours was and

2599
02:07:29,780 --> 02:07:27,330
you can watch the news and tell by the

2600
02:07:31,400 --> 02:07:29,790
way of stories structured whether it's a

2601
02:07:33,470 --> 02:07:31,410
press release or whether it's something

2602
02:07:35,870 --> 02:07:33,480
that is supposed to manipulate society

2603
02:07:37,160 --> 02:07:35,880
and suddenly there are very few genuine

2604
02:07:39,470 --> 02:07:37,170
stories in the news they're always

2605
02:07:41,780 --> 02:07:39,480
generated by someone with an agenda and

2606
02:07:45,229 --> 02:07:41,790
through this occlusion this weird game

2607
02:07:48,530 --> 02:07:45,239
of Battleship you can kind of assess

2608
02:07:51,500 --> 02:07:48,540
someone's motives by the things that

2609
02:07:54,290 --> 02:07:51,510
they're most excited about avoiding and

2610
02:07:56,360 --> 02:07:54,300
there's something about John and about

2611
02:07:58,520 --> 02:07:56,370
graham about Robert Bauval and I've

2612
02:08:00,380 --> 02:07:58,530
certainly felt the bhoot felt that felt

2613
02:08:02,450 --> 02:08:00,390
the heel of this that there's something

2614
02:08:05,150 --> 02:08:02,460
about our past that we're not allowed to

2615
02:08:08,240 --> 02:08:05,160
know and the Sphinx and the Giza Plateau

2616
02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:08,250
is central in this and maybe very well

2617
02:08:11,810 --> 02:08:10,170
what's in the pyramid I mean I'd be so

2618
02:08:13,939 --> 02:08:11,820
surprised if they didn't absolutely

2619
02:08:15,709 --> 02:08:13,949
completely already know what that extra

2620
02:08:17,750 --> 02:08:15,719
room what that room was in the pyramid

2621
02:08:19,189 --> 02:08:17,760
right and that we're just not allowed to

2622
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:19,199
know about it and I don't you know I'm

2623
02:08:22,850 --> 02:08:21,090
not here to beat on anybody or you know

2624
02:08:25,880 --> 02:08:22,860
the point fingers but there are people

2625
02:08:27,490 --> 02:08:25,890
in the administrative setup of the

2626
02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:27,500
Department of Antiquities

2627
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:31,370
you would think their job is to

2628
02:08:36,709 --> 02:08:34,530
constantly be trying to generate new

2629
02:08:39,020 --> 02:08:36,719
information and new findings about this

2630
02:08:41,750 --> 02:08:39,030
mysterious place but in practice if you

2631
02:08:44,419 --> 02:08:41,760
watch them every single act they take is

2632
02:08:47,020 --> 02:08:44,429
to reduce the amount suppress the

2633
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:47,030
information and restrict our ability to

2634
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:49,410
reconstruct this secret from the past

2635
02:08:54,979 --> 02:08:52,890
and so I wouldn't care to speculate on

2636
02:08:56,510 --> 02:08:54,989
why that is but the fact that it does

2637
02:08:59,360 --> 02:08:56,520
happen I think is getting harder and

2638
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:59,370
harder to deny but let's grab a quick

2639
02:09:03,160 --> 02:09:01,199
phone call hi you're live on fade to

2640
02:09:06,350 --> 02:09:03,170
black

2641
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you're live hello yes you're live who's

2642
02:09:14,510 --> 02:09:11,210
calling oh this is Arnold hiya Connolly

2643
02:09:17,510 --> 02:09:14,520
yeah we had a great experience with John

2644
02:09:22,910 --> 02:09:17,520
Anthony West in 2005 on the Giza Plateau

2645
02:09:24,380 --> 02:09:22,920
and touring and he was just amazing

2646
02:09:27,500 --> 02:09:24,390
wealth of knowledge the things that he

2647
02:09:28,490 --> 02:09:27,510
showed us there was just one area just

2648
02:09:31,640 --> 02:09:28,500
south of the Sphinx

2649
02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:31,650
so I guess a little bit east of the

2650
02:09:36,170 --> 02:09:34,170
pyramids where there was a temple and

2651
02:09:38,390 --> 02:09:36,180
he's pointed to a corner of it where had

2652
02:09:41,810 --> 02:09:38,400
been broken off and you could see behind

2653
02:09:45,470 --> 02:09:41,820
this what was modern or more pyramid age

2654
02:09:48,790 --> 02:09:45,480
type temple but underneath it was eroded

2655
02:09:51,260 --> 02:09:48,800
an older temple much much older and

2656
02:09:52,910 --> 02:09:51,270
there was just so much knowledge and

2657
02:09:56,420 --> 02:09:52,920
information he had and it was just just

2658
02:09:58,790 --> 02:09:56,430
amazing that we got a chance to share

2659
02:10:01,370 --> 02:09:58,800
that experience only one day we're on

2660
02:10:02,870 --> 02:10:01,380
Giza with him was was hardly enough to

2661
02:10:06,170 --> 02:10:02,880
learn as much as what he had but it was

2662
02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:06,180
just so wonderful and you know we had

2663
02:10:13,640 --> 02:10:09,450
pictures I put uh spew up here to show

2664
02:10:16,630 --> 02:10:13,650
but it was great I just love them yeah

2665
02:10:19,490 --> 02:10:16,640
your pictures are absolutely incredible

2666
02:10:20,930 --> 02:10:19,500
now Arnold he just posted these in

2667
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:20,940
Twitter chance you needed to check these

2668
02:10:25,010 --> 02:10:23,370
out they're really cool but the and

2669
02:10:27,620 --> 02:10:25,020
thank you Arnold for that let me ask you

2670
02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:27,630
a question you said that he pointed at

2671
02:10:35,600 --> 02:10:29,970
this temple what did he say about the

2672
02:10:38,630 --> 02:10:35,610
temple well he showed how apparently

2673
02:10:43,010 --> 02:10:38,640
evident it was that this stuff even

2674
02:10:44,630 --> 02:10:43,020
though it was common over say three and

2675
02:10:47,260 --> 02:10:44,640
a half thousand years old or whatever it

2676
02:10:49,670 --> 02:10:47,270
was contemporary with the pyramid age

2677
02:10:53,570 --> 02:10:49,680
but underneath it was something much

2678
02:10:56,330 --> 02:10:53,580
much older it was greatly eroded and you

2679
02:10:58,820 --> 02:10:56,340
had made you wonder what the heck really

2680
02:11:01,400 --> 02:10:58,830
is going on here and when we were at the

2681
02:11:06,440 --> 02:11:01,410
Great Pyramid I have a picture but it's

2682
02:11:09,770 --> 02:11:06,450
kind of far away uh I think we in it but

2683
02:11:10,460 --> 02:11:09,780
why the life go ahead we lost my

2684
02:11:12,140 --> 02:11:10,470
shoulder

2685
02:11:13,730 --> 02:11:12,150
Arnold we lost I what you said you

2686
02:11:18,040 --> 02:11:13,740
dropped out you said you took the

2687
02:11:24,410 --> 02:11:20,930
limestone original casings on the lower

2688
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:24,420
of the Great Pyramid I greatly eroded I

2689
02:11:29,150 --> 02:11:26,400
mean you could look at them and I could

2690
02:11:31,580 --> 02:11:29,160
tell that this was not just a light rain

2691
02:11:34,970 --> 02:11:31,590
fall that's done this these things are

2692
02:11:37,310 --> 02:11:34,980
really really old and so that's that's

2693
02:11:39,080 --> 02:11:37,320
just what I wanted to point out to be

2694
02:11:41,629 --> 02:11:39,090
able to look at that erosion on what is

2695
02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:41,639
left of the original casing stones on

2696
02:11:46,520 --> 02:11:44,130
north side of the green pennant and

2697
02:11:51,140 --> 02:11:46,530
you've got to wonder what really how old

2698
02:11:54,229 --> 02:11:51,150
is this yeah and thank you for your

2699
02:11:58,729 --> 02:11:54,239
memory of John and and in the

2700
02:12:01,280 --> 02:11:58,739
photographs but before I let you go what

2701
02:12:04,970 --> 02:12:01,290
was the one thing because I know you got

2702
02:12:06,770 --> 02:12:04,980
I know you have one memory of many but

2703
02:12:09,140 --> 02:12:06,780
what was the funniest thing that

2704
02:12:09,800 --> 02:12:09,150
happened with John I know we cracked a

2705
02:12:12,649 --> 02:12:09,810
joke

2706
02:12:17,899 --> 02:12:12,659
he said something that that that was

2707
02:12:22,640 --> 02:12:17,909
left with you share that with us well it

2708
02:12:27,260 --> 02:12:22,650
was I can't remember specifically but

2709
02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:27,270
the way the way he would talk about the

2710
02:12:36,770 --> 02:12:30,330
academics and how they don't really know

2711
02:12:41,830 --> 02:12:36,780
the geology and looking at the the the

2712
02:12:45,590 --> 02:12:41,840
inner area of the Sphinx where it's

2713
02:12:47,689 --> 02:12:45,600
eroded so so greatly and and that they

2714
02:12:51,229 --> 02:12:47,699
really don't have an explanation for

2715
02:12:54,080 --> 02:12:51,239
that and so it's there's so many things

2716
02:12:57,229 --> 02:12:54,090
but I mean I think that that the the

2717
02:12:58,669 --> 02:12:57,239
cracka demmick term and the way he used

2718
02:13:00,590 --> 02:12:58,679
that once was one of the things I just

2719
02:13:02,810 --> 02:13:00,600
never forget yeah you're absolutely

2720
02:13:04,669 --> 02:13:02,820
right Arnold thank you for sharing that

2721
02:13:07,850 --> 02:13:04,679
with us on this very special night my

2722
02:13:10,580 --> 02:13:07,860
friend I really appreciate it thank you

2723
02:13:13,669 --> 02:13:10,590
yeah thank you yeah what a great memory

2724
02:13:16,520 --> 02:13:13,679
right there a chance you know he he's

2725
02:13:20,620 --> 02:13:16,530
doing a private tour on the Giza Plateau

2726
02:13:23,030 --> 02:13:20,630
and quack Adamic start of the package I

2727
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:23,040
know exactly where that place is that

2728
02:13:25,280 --> 02:13:24,090
Arnold was talking about it's in the

2729
02:13:26,870 --> 02:13:25,290
valley temple right in front of that

2730
02:13:28,760 --> 02:13:26,880
it's next to his Fink's that's the place

2731
02:13:30,500 --> 02:13:28,770
that looks like the Osirian and it looks

2732
02:13:34,340 --> 02:13:30,510
more like Stonehenge than any other

2733
02:13:37,310 --> 02:13:34,350
Egyptian stuff so it's vastly ancient

2734
02:13:39,379 --> 02:13:37,320
and yet he would show this in this very

2735
02:13:41,300 --> 02:13:39,389
sort of masha'Allah matter-of-fact way

2736
02:13:43,550 --> 02:13:41,310
that there are parts of this place where

2737
02:13:45,020 --> 02:13:43,560
the casing stones have fallen away he's

2738
02:13:46,700 --> 02:13:45,030
showing that these casing stones were

2739
02:13:48,680 --> 02:13:46,710
put over a structure that already

2740
02:13:50,510 --> 02:13:48,690
existed and stones had that same

2741
02:13:51,530 --> 02:13:50,520
weathering that you know conservative

2742
02:13:52,879 --> 02:13:51,540
people you're just talking to shocked

2743
02:13:54,629 --> 02:13:52,889
and shocked has always taken a more

2744
02:13:56,009 --> 02:13:54,639
conservative viewpoint but

2745
02:13:57,899 --> 02:13:56,019
when you look at these things you look

2746
02:13:59,549 --> 02:13:57,909
at them and they might be millions of

2747
02:14:01,080 --> 02:13:59,559
years old and when I the way these rocks

2748
02:14:05,580 --> 02:14:01,090
are and if you know much about the way

2749
02:14:08,189 --> 02:14:05,590
rocks road this could be vastly I always

2750
02:14:10,199 --> 02:14:08,199
like John leaving the door open for this

2751
02:14:12,060 --> 02:14:10,209
might be he said one time if the truth

2752
02:14:14,549 --> 02:14:12,070
were ever known about this place this

2753
02:14:16,409 --> 02:14:14,559
would be so staggeringly old that no one

2754
02:14:18,089 --> 02:14:16,419
would know what to say about it we'd all

2755
02:14:20,339 --> 02:14:18,099
just interruption making our heads for a

2756
02:14:24,689 --> 02:14:20,349
week yeah that the you're right about

2757
02:14:27,179 --> 02:14:24,699
Robert and I have to give Robert the

2758
02:14:31,319 --> 02:14:27,189
credit where he stuck his neck out as

2759
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:31,329
far as he could and he could have gone

2760
02:14:36,810 --> 02:14:34,570
further but he can't yeah you know he's

2761
02:14:39,299 --> 02:14:36,820
got eyes he can look around he knows

2762
02:14:41,689 --> 02:14:39,309
what's really going on he's taking it

2763
02:14:45,870 --> 02:14:41,699
pretty far and he's gonna continue

2764
02:14:50,520 --> 02:14:45,880
West's work but that being said John

2765
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:50,530
said to me once he said look man the

2766
02:14:58,469 --> 02:14:54,010
pyramids and giza most likely was built

2767
02:15:02,250 --> 02:14:58,479
on top of another sacred site that was

2768
02:15:04,620 --> 02:15:02,260
sacred to them that is much much older

2769
02:15:06,929 --> 02:15:04,630
and goes way back you know because I've

2770
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:06,939
always asked him you know what else is

2771
02:15:10,799 --> 02:15:09,010
to be found are there tunnels you know

2772
02:15:13,739 --> 02:15:10,809
there are things underneath there you

2773
02:15:16,469 --> 02:15:13,749
know the PAS the Sphinx edgar cayce you

2774
02:15:19,020 --> 02:15:16,479
know we brought up the obvious stuff he

2775
02:15:21,179 --> 02:15:19,030
he took it a step further you know that

2776
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:21,189
the pyramids were built there not to

2777
02:15:26,909 --> 02:15:23,050
build the pyramids but because it was

2778
02:15:29,729 --> 02:15:26,919
already a sacred location an older

2779
02:15:32,040 --> 02:15:29,739
temple that we have no idea how old it

2780
02:15:35,189 --> 02:15:32,050
is and that's that's a very interesting

2781
02:15:37,319 --> 02:15:35,199
aspect of it and you're saying that you

2782
02:15:39,540 --> 02:15:37,329
saw the exact same thing that it's just

2783
02:15:41,790 --> 02:15:39,550
obvious but nobody wants to mention it

2784
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:41,800
it's there and everybody looks at it

2785
02:15:45,509 --> 02:15:43,840
everybody walks by and it's so I mean

2786
02:15:46,979 --> 02:15:45,519
it's so obvious it's just right there

2787
02:15:48,899 --> 02:15:46,989
and that's not just like this one thing

2788
02:15:50,520 --> 02:15:48,909
it's the point of John's tour suppose we

2789
02:15:52,799 --> 02:15:50,530
take you to every place like that in

2790
02:15:54,779 --> 02:15:52,809
Egypt and every single structure the

2791
02:15:56,639 --> 02:15:54,789
temples less the temples seem to be

2792
02:15:59,489 --> 02:15:56,649
discreet and self-contained in this time

2793
02:16:00,839 --> 02:15:59,499
except for Abydos which they seem to

2794
02:16:02,189 --> 02:16:00,849
have been digging the foundation of

2795
02:16:04,469 --> 02:16:02,199
Abydos when they found the Osirian

2796
02:16:05,729 --> 02:16:04,479
mm-hmm because Abydos temple is the only

2797
02:16:06,810 --> 02:16:05,739
temple that turns I don't know if you

2798
02:16:08,060 --> 02:16:06,820
ever noticed that but none of the other

2799
02:16:10,280 --> 02:16:08,070
temples take a hard

2800
02:16:12,140 --> 02:16:10,290
turned like that and it looks like they

2801
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:12,150
were building Abydos and they had to

2802
02:16:15,410 --> 02:16:13,920
literally modify their plan midway

2803
02:16:17,330 --> 02:16:15,420
through because part of the foundational

2804
02:16:21,530 --> 02:16:17,340
process they unearthed the Assyrian

2805
02:16:26,390 --> 02:16:21,540
which was 32 or 33 feet below below

2806
02:16:27,500 --> 02:16:26,400
ground level and and that was historic

2807
02:16:31,100 --> 02:16:27,510
that was what's so special about his

2808
02:16:33,291 --> 02:16:31,110
tour and another funny thing related to

2809
02:16:35,090 --> 02:16:33,301
this was I've never it's usually pretty

2810
02:16:36,440 --> 02:16:35,100
vulgar when someone says I told you so

2811
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:36,450
you know and the first thing you learn

2812
02:16:42,260 --> 02:16:38,250
in a relationship and never say I told

2813
02:16:44,330 --> 02:16:42,270
you so but John was so good and he would

2814
02:16:46,100 --> 02:16:44,340
get these fights he's really contentious

2815
02:16:47,630 --> 02:16:46,110
you know a lot of academic people aren't

2816
02:16:49,700 --> 02:16:47,640
they're not renowned for their sense of

2817
02:16:51,620 --> 02:16:49,710
humor you know and sometimes they didn't

2818
02:16:53,690 --> 02:16:51,630
understand that John was partially being

2819
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:53,700
theatrical when he had barbed and joust

2820
02:16:57,380 --> 02:16:55,770
with him but one of the things he said

2821
02:16:58,730 --> 02:16:57,390
there's some woman that was just really

2822
02:17:01,490 --> 02:16:58,740
full of herself and was trying to beat

2823
02:17:03,530 --> 02:17:01,500
John down and John it says to her by the

2824
02:17:05,300 --> 02:17:03,540
end of this you will have eaten so much

2825
02:17:09,830 --> 02:17:05,310
crow that there'll be an endangered

2826
02:17:11,210 --> 02:17:09,840
species forever after that John and I

2827
02:17:12,980 --> 02:17:11,220
would talk about you know as a graphic

2828
02:17:15,080 --> 02:17:12,990
designers might you know my original

2829
02:17:16,880 --> 02:17:15,090
core strength I'd always wanted to

2830
02:17:19,010 --> 02:17:16,890
actually print a book that was the crow

2831
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:19,020
cookbook so that John could send it to

2832
02:17:24,050 --> 02:17:20,250
all the people that he's proven wrong

2833
02:17:26,480 --> 02:17:24,060
way this was on a tour yeah the this

2834
02:17:27,950 --> 02:17:26,490
woman mode oh this was one of his many

2835
02:17:30,291 --> 02:17:27,960
fights with academia that took place

2836
02:17:32,180 --> 02:17:30,301
over email and stuff he was he spent his

2837
02:17:33,950 --> 02:17:32,190
whole life fighting with people he used

2838
02:17:36,050 --> 02:17:33,960
to call it goaltending I'm goaltending

2839
02:17:39,410 --> 02:17:36,060
this Fink's theory so he's constantly in

2840
02:17:42,291 --> 02:17:39,420
bitter battles with academia when was

2841
02:17:46,130 --> 02:17:42,301
the last time you spoke to John oh my

2842
02:17:48,800 --> 02:17:46,140
god well email you know the whole time

2843
02:17:51,620 --> 02:17:48,810
and oh I don't want to start crying on

2844
02:17:53,690 --> 02:17:51,630
your show Zeek put the phone up to his

2845
02:17:59,140 --> 02:17:53,700
ear right like the day before you know

2846
02:18:03,530 --> 02:18:00,350
okay

2847
02:18:07,070 --> 02:18:03,540
well was he aware the reason why I'm

2848
02:18:08,541 --> 02:18:07,080
asking is and I'll get the lump out of

2849
02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:08,551
your throat right now the reason why I'm

2850
02:18:15,050 --> 02:18:12,000
asking is was he aware of the chamber

2851
02:18:16,610 --> 02:18:15,060
that was just discovered well you know

2852
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:16,620
the funny thing is it's been just

2853
02:18:20,300 --> 02:18:18,810
discovered over and over again they knew

2854
02:18:21,770 --> 02:18:20,310
about it in the 40s they knew I mean

2855
02:18:23,900 --> 02:18:21,780
it's just it's always been there

2856
02:18:25,580 --> 02:18:23,910
the thing that infuriates me is all that

2857
02:18:27,320 --> 02:18:25,590
stuff was there I was there once when

2858
02:18:29,690 --> 02:18:27,330
there was this dig and there's this

2859
02:18:31,490 --> 02:18:29,700
whole massive complex underground where

2860
02:18:33,650 --> 02:18:31,500
tourists walk and you know where you buy

2861
02:18:36,320 --> 02:18:33,660
Kentucky Fried Chicken you have the most

2862
02:18:37,730 --> 02:18:36,330
vulgar fast-food restaurants and stuff

2863
02:18:39,620 --> 02:18:37,740
if you just look the other way from that

2864
02:18:40,670 --> 02:18:39,630
iconic view of the pyramid the Sphinx

2865
02:18:42,290 --> 02:18:40,680
you're just standing in front of the

2866
02:18:44,930 --> 02:18:42,300
track well this place that's not very

2867
02:18:46,670 --> 02:18:44,940
well kept up and that whole place that

2868
02:18:48,500 --> 02:18:46,680
tourists stand when they're taking their

2869
02:18:50,480 --> 02:18:48,510
photographs of the Sphinx is something

2870
02:18:52,100 --> 02:18:50,490
and the chambers under the Sphinx John

2871
02:18:53,930 --> 02:18:52,110
kind of found him through seismograph

2872
02:18:55,310 --> 02:18:53,940
but you know back in the 40s they were

2873
02:18:57,380 --> 02:18:55,320
talking about it your case he was all

2874
02:18:59,120 --> 02:18:57,390
about it and then that hole on top of

2875
02:19:01,070 --> 02:18:59,130
the Sphinx his head that means somewhere

2876
02:19:02,630 --> 02:19:01,080
that nobody wants to acknowledge and all

2877
02:19:06,380 --> 02:19:02,640
the way back to Herodotus you know

2878
02:19:08,450 --> 02:19:06,390
Herodotus and Pythagoras

2879
02:19:11,030 --> 02:19:08,460
but Herodotus wrote he spent this whole

2880
02:19:14,270 --> 02:19:11,040
life you know mapping out all the stuff

2881
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:14,280
that was there so I just it's I hate to

2882
02:19:18,800 --> 02:19:16,800
be a broken record but none of this

2883
02:19:21,170 --> 02:19:18,810
stuff has ever been secret it's just

2884
02:19:23,150 --> 02:19:21,180
that the media or you know the

2885
02:19:24,500 --> 02:19:23,160
authorities and the gatekeepers really

2886
02:19:27,050 --> 02:19:24,510
go out of their way to keep us from

2887
02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:27,060
having ready access to the the

2888
02:19:34,280 --> 02:19:29,850
unexplainable stuff well but was he

2889
02:19:37,520 --> 02:19:34,290
aware of you know the recent radar you

2890
02:19:40,880 --> 02:19:37,530
know the the the pyramid scan project

2891
02:19:43,190 --> 02:19:40,890
and I don't I never got a chance to talk

2892
02:19:45,740 --> 02:19:43,200
to him about that the Moulin thing that

2893
02:19:48,380 --> 02:19:45,750
Jeff lost him he was all over Gant and

2894
02:19:51,140 --> 02:19:48,390
brink and Bauval become really good

2895
02:19:53,211 --> 02:19:51,150
friends with above all lately and he was

2896
02:19:55,310 --> 02:19:53,221
really good friends with Ganton brink

2897
02:19:57,381 --> 02:19:55,320
but these new people you know are just

2898
02:19:58,970 --> 02:19:57,391
so out of left field and I didn't know

2899
02:20:01,011 --> 02:19:58,980
much about them at all I really didn't

2900
02:20:02,330 --> 02:20:01,021
pay attention because you know I'm just

2901
02:20:03,980 --> 02:20:02,340
I'm not very optimistic about some

2902
02:20:05,841 --> 02:20:03,990
revelation coming out of ancient Egypt

2903
02:20:08,301 --> 02:20:05,851
at this point and so I've never got a

2904
02:20:10,190 --> 02:20:08,311
chance to talk to him about that and I

2905
02:20:12,921 --> 02:20:10,200
frequently asked him and you know

2906
02:20:15,620 --> 02:20:12,931
there's a really cool really mysterious

2907
02:20:18,430 --> 02:20:15,630
guy named Mohammed that is that is the

2908
02:20:20,511 --> 02:20:18,440
sledgehammer he's got his new Borah syed

2909
02:20:23,030 --> 02:20:20,521
muhammad is the man on the ground and he

2910
02:20:24,530 --> 02:20:23,040
runs quest travel muhammed nas me so if

2911
02:20:27,140 --> 02:20:24,540
you ever want to go to egypt train' find

2912
02:20:28,490 --> 02:20:27,150
mom Ignasi at quest travel and muhammad

2913
02:20:30,080 --> 02:20:28,500
lives there you know and he's actually

2914
02:20:31,310 --> 02:20:30,090
really he's one of those players so he's

2915
02:20:33,080 --> 02:20:31,320
friends with saw he's friends with

2916
02:20:35,210 --> 02:20:33,090
everybody and he has to be you know make

2917
02:20:39,559 --> 02:20:35,220
sure the doors are open to you and stuff

2918
02:20:41,059 --> 02:20:39,569
and I think that there's no secrets I

2919
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:41,069
think it's being kept from us but I

2920
02:20:45,739 --> 02:20:44,010
think that that stuff no and those

2921
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:45,749
little 10 year old Egyptian boys you

2922
02:20:48,979 --> 02:20:47,520
know get into everything and there's so

2923
02:20:50,510 --> 02:20:48,989
many things that have been found by just

2924
02:20:52,250 --> 02:20:50,520
little kids playing and all of a sudden

2925
02:20:54,080 --> 02:20:52,260
here's this stone that's loose and I

2926
02:20:56,479 --> 02:20:54,090
pick it up and there's a passageway

2927
02:20:58,069 --> 02:20:56,489
underneath there's this little room at

2928
02:20:59,689 --> 02:20:58,079
the back of bindara where the lightbulb

2929
02:21:01,279 --> 02:20:59,699
is that is literally there's a loose

2930
02:21:02,300 --> 02:21:01,289
stone on the floor and you'd never know

2931
02:21:03,949 --> 02:21:02,310
it was there except some little

2932
02:21:05,660 --> 02:21:03,959
ten-year-old boy was goofing around I

2933
02:21:07,429 --> 02:21:05,670
don't know not like tens of magic number

2934
02:21:09,260 --> 02:21:07,439
you know what I mean little kids playing

2935
02:21:10,699 --> 02:21:09,270
around all the time one time I was

2936
02:21:12,199 --> 02:21:10,709
riding my bike through the Valley of the

2937
02:21:13,790 --> 02:21:12,209
Kings which is a bad idea in the

2938
02:21:16,340 --> 02:21:13,800
summertime and I see some little kids

2939
02:21:17,870 --> 02:21:16,350
playing off in the distance and they're

2940
02:21:19,099 --> 02:21:17,880
all playing and just doing kid stuff and

2941
02:21:20,330 --> 02:21:19,109
I'm riding by on my bike and it's kind

2942
02:21:22,069 --> 02:21:20,340
of quiet and I hear them I'll get

2943
02:21:23,599 --> 02:21:22,079
excited and I look over and they hold

2944
02:21:25,370 --> 02:21:23,609
this thing up it's like this giant cool

2945
02:21:27,949 --> 02:21:25,380
prize that they've just found and it was

2946
02:21:29,330 --> 02:21:27,959
a mummified human hand that these little

2947
02:21:30,769 --> 02:21:29,340
you know seven eight nine year olds

2948
02:21:32,149 --> 02:21:30,779
found and they start playing with it and

2949
02:21:35,059 --> 02:21:32,159
thrown like a frisbee and playing

2950
02:21:36,260 --> 02:21:35,069
football with it and that desert for you

2951
02:21:37,880 --> 02:21:36,270
know tens of thousands of years people

2952
02:21:39,529 --> 02:21:37,890
have been falling over in the desert and

2953
02:21:41,330 --> 02:21:39,539
because there's no moisture it's a

2954
02:21:42,649 --> 02:21:41,340
natural mummification process well

2955
02:21:43,670 --> 02:21:42,659
you're mummified or not you're gonna

2956
02:21:45,889 --> 02:21:43,680
turn into jerky

2957
02:21:48,050 --> 02:21:45,899
you know beef jerky man jerky right and

2958
02:21:49,880 --> 02:21:48,060
so there's just stuff all the time but

2959
02:21:51,620 --> 02:21:49,890
there and that keeps getting found and

2960
02:21:53,870 --> 02:21:51,630
reburied and refound and reburied

2961
02:21:55,370 --> 02:21:53,880
there's one a giant trash you know

2962
02:21:57,889 --> 02:21:55,380
there's a trash bin like literally a

2963
02:21:59,809 --> 02:21:57,899
garbage dump in the oldest most

2964
02:22:02,449 --> 02:21:59,819
mysterious and certainly the largest

2965
02:22:03,889 --> 02:22:02,459
ruin in Egypt and they declared that it

2966
02:22:05,479 --> 02:22:03,899
was part of the military base and no one

2967
02:22:07,699 --> 02:22:05,489
could go there and then it went even

2968
02:22:10,010 --> 02:22:07,709
farther to fill it with trash so you can

2969
02:22:12,410 --> 02:22:10,020
watch youtubes about it and it's just

2970
02:22:14,840 --> 02:22:12,420
there and it's massive and like alien

2971
02:22:15,859 --> 02:22:14,850
big and they don't want to talk about it

2972
02:22:17,689 --> 02:22:15,869
so it's now it's all full of trash and

2973
02:22:20,239 --> 02:22:17,699
it's on an army base so you can't ever

2974
02:22:22,729 --> 02:22:20,249
look at it again yeah when you look and

2975
02:22:25,160 --> 02:22:22,739
I do this all the time you go to Google

2976
02:22:28,479 --> 02:22:25,170
Earth and and poke around the Giza

2977
02:22:32,149 --> 02:22:28,489
Plateau and expand in search it's all

2978
02:22:33,769 --> 02:22:32,159
military land right at you know you go a

2979
02:22:35,899 --> 02:22:33,779
little bit off of the Nile

2980
02:22:38,149 --> 02:22:35,909
you know you head west everything is

2981
02:22:44,599 --> 02:22:38,159
military and off-limits

2982
02:22:46,030 --> 02:22:44,609
it's sand bits of glass here and there I

2983
02:22:49,060 --> 02:22:46,040
man I'm

2984
02:22:50,680 --> 02:22:49,070
I have nothing but empathy for if you're

2985
02:22:52,511 --> 02:22:50,690
kidding you're at loose ends and you're

2986
02:22:54,730 --> 02:22:52,521
just knocking around Egypt odds are

2987
02:22:55,600 --> 02:22:54,740
you're gonna end up in the army and once

2988
02:22:57,220 --> 02:22:55,610
you're in the army

2989
02:22:58,511 --> 02:22:57,230
I have a special sympathy for this

2990
02:23:00,460 --> 02:22:58,521
because right now it's about a hundred

2991
02:23:03,670 --> 02:23:00,470
and eighty degrees in Australia just

2992
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:03,680
crazy hot but nothing like Egypt and the

2993
02:23:07,030 --> 02:23:05,330
one time that I went to Egypt in the

2994
02:23:08,920 --> 02:23:07,040
summertime you'd be walking through

2995
02:23:10,540 --> 02:23:08,930
Tyrone literally you're wearing as few

2996
02:23:12,040 --> 02:23:10,550
clothes as possible you're drenched with

2997
02:23:13,270 --> 02:23:12,050
sweat and you're drinking like you drink

2998
02:23:14,740 --> 02:23:13,280
a two-liter bottle of water and you

2999
02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:14,750
never pee cuz it just comes out your

3000
02:23:18,550 --> 02:23:16,730
pores it's so hot and so miserable so

3001
02:23:21,130 --> 02:23:18,560
now imagine you're an eighteen year old

3002
02:23:23,710 --> 02:23:21,140
dude you're in the army you have to wear

3003
02:23:26,350 --> 02:23:23,720
this black wool it wasn't cotton it was

3004
02:23:28,660 --> 02:23:26,360
a wool army suit with a hat and you have

3005
02:23:30,340 --> 02:23:28,670
to stand at attention on a street corner

3006
02:23:32,770 --> 02:23:30,350
with your rifle and not do anything all

3007
02:23:34,540 --> 02:23:32,780
day you can't get in the shade when you

3008
02:23:36,011 --> 02:23:34,550
pull into the airport there's a row of

3009
02:23:38,740 --> 02:23:36,021
these kids they're they're soldiers but

3010
02:23:43,080 --> 02:23:38,750
there's kids you know and it's miserable

3011
02:23:46,330 --> 02:23:43,090
it's miserable and it's just so

3012
02:23:48,580 --> 02:23:46,340
incredibly hot there and I felt so sorry

3013
02:23:50,320 --> 02:23:48,590
for those poor people and it really

3014
02:23:51,520 --> 02:23:50,330
makes you appreciate you know fewer and

3015
02:23:53,530 --> 02:23:51,530
fewer people saying positive things

3016
02:23:55,540 --> 02:23:53,540
about America these days but there's

3017
02:23:57,310 --> 02:23:55,550
nothing like a trip to the third world

3018
02:24:00,790 --> 02:23:57,320
so make you appreciate the few remaining

3019
02:24:02,820 --> 02:24:00,800
liberties we still have and was what do

3020
02:24:05,340 --> 02:24:02,830
you think I know you heard Roberts

3021
02:24:11,140 --> 02:24:05,350
answer to this but do you think that

3022
02:24:13,930 --> 02:24:11,150
that John was aware of his impact I mean

3023
02:24:16,600 --> 02:24:13,940
because it's just I think that all of us

3024
02:24:20,220 --> 02:24:16,610
appreciate it but was John was John

3025
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:20,230
aware of that we had hilarious

3026
02:24:23,890 --> 02:24:22,010
conversations about this I remember one

3027
02:24:25,060 --> 02:24:23,900
time at UCLA we had to sneak in EC LA

3028
02:24:27,220 --> 02:24:25,070
and we weren't supposed to be there so

3029
02:24:29,350 --> 02:24:27,230
if you watch like magical Egypt episode

3030
02:24:30,670 --> 02:24:29,360
two of the original series Johnson a

3031
02:24:32,200 --> 02:24:30,680
library and he's talking but he's

3032
02:24:33,490 --> 02:24:32,210
talking and really hushed tones and I'm

3033
02:24:35,980 --> 02:24:33,500
really close to him and we just totally

3034
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:35,990
weren't supposed to be there but on that

3035
02:24:40,270 --> 02:24:38,090
day I really distinctly remember we're

3036
02:24:41,380 --> 02:24:40,280
walking through the campus and we're

3037
02:24:43,390 --> 02:24:41,390
both kind of seeing is anybody gonna

3038
02:24:45,310 --> 02:24:43,400
recognize John all the time you know in

3039
02:24:47,320 --> 02:24:45,320
Egypt just random people would you just

3040
02:24:49,960 --> 02:24:47,330
see him freeze and turn ashen face like

3041
02:24:51,310 --> 02:24:49,970
oh my god there's John West right and so

3042
02:24:53,170 --> 02:24:51,320
we're walking through UCLA and we're

3043
02:24:55,450 --> 02:24:53,180
having this talk and he's trying to tell

3044
02:24:56,620 --> 02:24:55,460
me we're trying to figure out how famous

3045
02:24:58,729 --> 02:24:56,630
he is and we're trying to figure out

3046
02:25:02,960 --> 02:24:58,739
this grid like well I'm not staying

3047
02:25:04,579 --> 02:25:02,970
famous nothing just one name and I kept

3048
02:25:06,229 --> 02:25:04,589
saying look there's there's famous and

3049
02:25:07,639 --> 02:25:06,239
there's important there's historical few

3050
02:25:09,109 --> 02:25:07,649
years and you know there's a lot of

3051
02:25:10,880 --> 02:25:09,119
really superficial people that are

3052
02:25:11,899 --> 02:25:10,890
famous but it was funny that it was

3053
02:25:17,210 --> 02:25:11,909
something that he and I would talk about

3054
02:25:19,189 --> 02:25:17,220
alive oh oh sorry I guess you're the

3055
02:25:20,599 --> 02:25:19,199
metric of that is the density of how

3056
02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:20,609
many times you get recognized out in the

3057
02:25:26,029 --> 02:25:21,930
real world which happened to him a lot

3058
02:25:27,499 --> 02:25:26,039
yes ding famous that's pretty funny you

3059
02:25:32,149 --> 02:25:27,509
can tell that was back in the 90s we had

3060
02:25:34,149 --> 02:25:32,159
that conversation and and the the the

3061
02:25:38,269 --> 02:25:34,159
opposition that he got from the

3062
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:38,279
Egyptologist in in Cairo did did did he

3063
02:25:45,229 --> 02:25:42,720
let it affect him did he care he burned

3064
02:25:47,749 --> 02:25:45,239
he had I mean it's it's hard to explain

3065
02:25:49,489 --> 02:25:47,759
you know John was from the old school he

3066
02:25:50,840 --> 02:25:49,499
was from that era of education that

3067
02:25:52,279 --> 02:25:50,850
doesn't exist anymore where they taught

3068
02:25:54,729 --> 02:25:52,289
you how to think instead of what to

3069
02:25:57,139 --> 02:25:54,739
think right and he had this gentlemanly

3070
02:25:59,889 --> 02:25:57,149
masculinity about him that just simply

3071
02:26:04,329 --> 02:25:59,899
does not exist anymore that old world

3072
02:26:08,090 --> 02:26:04,339
wonderfulness and bigness of spirit and

3073
02:26:12,069 --> 02:26:08,100
he so he never got ugly and he never got

3074
02:26:14,869 --> 02:26:12,079
mean but man he sure never back down and

3075
02:26:18,349 --> 02:26:14,879
constantly ready to jump on somebody

3076
02:26:20,769 --> 02:26:18,359
that tried to dispute or you know

3077
02:26:24,019 --> 02:26:20,779
present facts that weren't the case and

3078
02:26:27,409 --> 02:26:24,029
but it's saying it in those terms would

3079
02:26:29,210 --> 02:26:27,419
he do this would he do did he have that

3080
02:26:31,359 --> 02:26:29,220
face to face would he do this face to

3081
02:26:33,859 --> 02:26:31,369
face or was he oh yeah

3082
02:26:35,210 --> 02:26:33,869
he's like a pit bull he was fearless

3083
02:26:37,399 --> 02:26:35,220
he'd go out of his way and it would

3084
02:26:39,260 --> 02:26:37,409
happen so quick that's I keep using that

3085
02:26:42,769 --> 02:26:39,270
sword fighter metaphor or you know

3086
02:26:46,039 --> 02:26:42,779
Sweeney Todd with the shaver right it

3087
02:26:49,039 --> 02:26:46,049
was so quick to eviscerate and that I

3088
02:26:50,149 --> 02:26:49,049
just been sort of a pacifist and

3089
02:26:52,039 --> 02:26:50,159
whenever if somebody gets really angry

3090
02:26:54,499 --> 02:26:52,049
around me I just shut down you know but

3091
02:26:56,239 --> 02:26:54,509
he would just he would rise to the

3092
02:26:58,550 --> 02:26:56,249
occasion he'd get even quicker and

3093
02:27:00,769 --> 02:26:58,560
sharper and with just two or three words

3094
02:27:02,630 --> 02:27:00,779
he could take people apart and was not

3095
02:27:04,789 --> 02:27:02,640
like he was such a gentle man but when

3096
02:27:06,619 --> 02:27:04,799
the time came to be confrontational he

3097
02:27:09,109 --> 02:27:06,629
did not I mean he rose to the challenge

3098
02:27:11,149 --> 02:27:09,119
and he was so good at it and it was

3099
02:27:12,080 --> 02:27:11,159
another one of those things that it's

3100
02:27:13,610 --> 02:27:12,090
from kind of why I say

3101
02:27:14,920 --> 02:27:13,620
a substitute father figure for me

3102
02:27:17,120 --> 02:27:14,930
because I really learned the art of

3103
02:27:18,860 --> 02:27:17,130
being confrontational while still

3104
02:27:22,099 --> 02:27:18,870
retaining your dignity in your style

3105
02:27:24,620 --> 02:27:22,109
can I get you to hang on sure we'll do a

3106
02:27:26,870 --> 02:27:24,630
little little overtime tonight I'm not

3107
02:27:29,660 --> 02:27:26,880
I'm not ready to wrap this conversation

3108
02:27:32,990 --> 02:27:29,670
we're right in the middle of it but okay

3109
02:27:35,570 --> 02:27:33,000
I know you will okay so let's do that

3110
02:27:38,810 --> 02:27:35,580
before we head to the break do you have

3111
02:27:44,440 --> 02:27:38,820
any extra stuff for magical Egypt one

3112
02:27:48,230 --> 02:27:44,450
that that will be released I have about

3113
02:27:51,440 --> 02:27:48,240
1,500 hours about Wade so are you gonna

3114
02:27:53,150 --> 02:27:51,450
release it yeah yeah I have to I don't

3115
02:27:55,849 --> 02:27:53,160
know if you know this story and it's

3116
02:27:57,679 --> 02:27:55,859
really quickly when Venetian I came to

3117
02:27:59,179 --> 02:27:57,689
Australia it wasn't to live we were just

3118
02:28:02,030 --> 02:27:59,189
going to come over and have a vacation

3119
02:28:04,130 --> 02:28:02,040
and our first day on the ground we got

3120
02:28:04,820 --> 02:28:04,140
in a head-on collision on the freeway on

3121
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:04,830
the freeway

3122
02:28:08,840 --> 02:28:07,530
false head-on collision and of a nice

3123
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:08,850
broke her neck and we thought she'd

3124
02:28:12,710 --> 02:28:10,050
never walk again and we lived in the

3125
02:28:14,480 --> 02:28:12,720
hospital for years and years and we had

3126
02:28:16,490 --> 02:28:14,490
to just send I never went home never saw

3127
02:28:17,690 --> 02:28:16,500
my house again and I just liquidated all

3128
02:28:19,490 --> 02:28:17,700
my belongings because I was in the

3129
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:19,500
hospital and I was never able to go home

3130
02:28:25,190 --> 02:28:23,520
but the one thing that I got was a I'm

3131
02:28:28,790 --> 02:28:25,200
ashamed to admit that I keep them in but

3132
02:28:30,980 --> 02:28:28,800
all I've got thousands of little mini DV

3133
02:28:33,320 --> 02:28:30,990
tapes in a giant garbage bag like a

3134
02:28:35,090 --> 02:28:33,330
garbage bag full of like Santa's bag

3135
02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:35,100
full of DVD tapes at each one of them is

3136
02:28:38,630 --> 02:28:36,810
one hour of John like we stayed in San

3137
02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:38,640
Francisco for a long time and shot

3138
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:39,930
hundreds of hours there and the

3139
02:28:45,170 --> 02:28:41,850
Botanical Gardens and all over Balboa

3140
02:28:46,700 --> 02:28:45,180
Park so right now as a result of us

3141
02:28:47,960 --> 02:28:46,710
being kind of nomadic when we first got

3142
02:28:49,880 --> 02:28:47,970
to Australia I put all this stuff in

3143
02:28:51,800 --> 02:28:49,890
storage and it's down in Melbourne and

3144
02:28:54,530 --> 02:28:51,810
I'm a long ways away from there but one

3145
02:28:56,540 --> 02:28:54,540
of these as mosz

3146
02:28:58,219 --> 02:28:56,550
it is definitely on my list of things to

3147
02:29:00,440 --> 02:28:58,229
do to get back down there and once we

3148
02:29:02,480 --> 02:29:00,450
get past episode six here we've got

3149
02:29:03,889 --> 02:29:02,490
another at least three seasons of stuff

3150
02:29:06,650 --> 02:29:03,899
of John and his heyday

3151
02:29:08,090 --> 02:29:06,660
doing what he did because you know I for

3152
02:29:09,469 --> 02:29:08,100
my money this is the most important

3153
02:29:10,910 --> 02:29:09,479
thing that there is and it's the most

3154
02:29:13,040 --> 02:29:10,920
important information people can know

3155
02:29:15,080 --> 02:29:13,050
and nobody's ever described it as well

3156
02:29:21,230 --> 02:29:15,090
as John so there's lots more there's

3157
02:29:23,170 --> 02:29:21,240
lots more 1,500 hours of gel at least at

3158
02:29:25,899 --> 02:29:23,180
least that's absolutely

3159
02:29:28,659 --> 02:29:25,909
this is Veda black this is our John

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Anthony West special tribute tonight we

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have chance Gardner live with this from

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Australia we're gonna kick continue the

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the conversation with a little over time

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Jimmy Church

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JC our Jimmy shirts radiojohn yeah

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[Music]

3247
02:34:09,110 --> 02:34:05,950
welcome back fade to black America

3248
02:34:15,470 --> 02:34:11,900
I want to thank dr. Robert Schoch for

3249
02:34:18,560 --> 02:34:15,480
the first hour coming in for our John

3250
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:18,570
Anthony West tributes he passed away

3251
02:34:24,290 --> 02:34:22,170
last week and right now we're speaking

3252
02:34:27,350 --> 02:34:24,300
with chance Gartner live from Australia

3253
02:34:30,740 --> 02:34:27,360
chants of course directed magical Egypt

3254
02:34:35,180 --> 02:34:30,750
1 & 2 now I have to ask the hard

3255
02:34:37,460 --> 02:34:35,190
question here chance I know that you you

3256
02:34:40,900 --> 02:34:37,470
know spoke with a John the day before

3257
02:34:44,900 --> 02:34:40,910
that he left us but when he got the news

3258
02:34:49,700 --> 02:34:44,910
how did you feel how did you take it how

3259
02:34:52,011 --> 02:34:49,710
did you feel you know I lost my father

3260
02:34:55,310 --> 02:34:52,021
last year to Parkinson's disease and it

3261
02:34:58,040 --> 02:34:55,320
was it was a weirdly parallel experience

3262
02:35:01,130 --> 02:34:58,050
because like most Western males I just

3263
02:35:02,480 --> 02:35:01,140
suppress it and just just didn't you

3264
02:35:04,220 --> 02:35:02,490
know like intellectually I knew it would

3265
02:35:06,801 --> 02:35:04,230
happen but I just wasn't gonna go there

3266
02:35:08,810 --> 02:35:06,811
emotionally and and just strange random

3267
02:35:11,540 --> 02:35:08,820
times I'd see a picture of him or

3268
02:35:14,390 --> 02:35:11,550
something and it would just you know the

3269
02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:14,400
dam would burst and Zeke pour you know

3270
02:35:19,640 --> 02:35:16,650
his son Zeke and his daughter Zoey and

3271
02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:19,650
celesta his wife he had a real heart go

3272
02:35:25,310 --> 02:35:22,890
this year and they really handled it

3273
02:35:28,130 --> 02:35:25,320
well I think that it didn't come as a

3274
02:35:30,680 --> 02:35:28,140
surprise to anybody because from the

3275
02:35:32,420 --> 02:35:30,690
time that he collapsed you know he he

3276
02:35:34,160 --> 02:35:32,430
was going till the last minute you know

3277
02:35:36,740 --> 02:35:34,170
he was over in Egypt on that last tour

3278
02:35:38,030 --> 02:35:36,750
and he collapsed and it was clear and

3279
02:35:40,310 --> 02:35:38,040
then so they took him to the doctor and

3280
02:35:42,830 --> 02:35:40,320
he discovered he had you know not one or

3281
02:35:44,810 --> 02:35:42,840
two but 40 tumors in his brain and it

3282
02:35:46,460 --> 02:35:44,820
passed and remarkable that he was

3283
02:35:50,060 --> 02:35:46,470
functional at all considering the extent

3284
02:35:51,710 --> 02:35:50,070
of the damage and then even stranger and

3285
02:35:55,100 --> 02:35:51,720
you know speaking of conspiracy theories

3286
02:35:56,570 --> 02:35:55,110
he went to this guy Russian doctor

3287
02:35:59,060 --> 02:35:56,580
that's in America and he had his cancer

3288
02:36:01,430 --> 02:35:59,070
cured good guy actually beat cancer and

3289
02:36:03,440 --> 02:36:01,440
then went down from pneumonia and you

3290
02:36:07,970 --> 02:36:03,450
know kind of hospital illness look how

3291
02:36:09,350 --> 02:36:07,980
it and so the family did a really good

3292
02:36:11,180 --> 02:36:09,360
job of letting us know what was

3293
02:36:12,801 --> 02:36:11,190
happening and it was a wonderful thing

3294
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:12,811
because it was a very hard time for them

3295
02:36:17,780 --> 02:36:14,610
but they acknowledge that you know we

3296
02:36:20,630 --> 02:36:17,790
all kind of feel like we have some stake

3297
02:36:21,990 --> 02:36:20,640
in John and John you know must be the

3298
02:36:24,300 --> 02:36:22,000
guy with the biggest family and

3299
02:36:26,670 --> 02:36:24,310
world cuz we all really much very much

3300
02:36:28,950 --> 02:36:26,680
are this family brought together by this

3301
02:36:30,780 --> 02:36:28,960
great man and so they I thought they

3302
02:36:32,250 --> 02:36:30,790
really managed well and they kept it for

3303
02:36:34,530 --> 02:36:32,260
being this horrific shock where we all

3304
02:36:37,980 --> 02:36:34,540
kind of knew it was coming it was coming

3305
02:36:39,390 --> 02:36:37,990
it was coming and so then Zeke called us

3306
02:36:41,070 --> 02:36:39,400
at a certain time and gave us a chance

3307
02:36:43,470 --> 02:36:41,080
to get on the phone with them and say

3308
02:36:44,940 --> 02:36:43,480
the last you know things and I just I

3309
02:36:46,500 --> 02:36:44,950
want to tell everybody out there and you

3310
02:36:48,810 --> 02:36:46,510
Jim I'm sure you already know this but

3311
02:36:51,560 --> 02:36:48,820
you just don't appreciate the people in

3312
02:36:54,810 --> 02:36:51,570
your life and then all of a sudden

3313
02:36:56,280 --> 02:36:54,820
they're not there and it's the worst

3314
02:36:57,840 --> 02:36:56,290
thing in the world if there's one little

3315
02:36:59,870 --> 02:36:57,850
thing you didn't say or if you had a

3316
02:37:02,580 --> 02:36:59,880
harsh word and you didn't make it better

3317
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:02,590
make things right appreciate the people

3318
02:37:07,620 --> 02:37:03,850
that are around you because you just

3319
02:37:11,310 --> 02:37:07,630
never know yeah you don't you you don't

3320
02:37:15,150 --> 02:37:11,320
and the the other thing that I wanted to

3321
02:37:17,810 --> 02:37:15,160
ask you with with magical Egypt and the

3322
02:37:21,900 --> 02:37:17,820
way that that was done everybody

3323
02:37:24,420 --> 02:37:21,910
understands his research into Egypt

3324
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:24,430
Egyptology ancient history when it comes

3325
02:37:29,370 --> 02:37:27,130
to Egypt and the Sphinx and and and of

3326
02:37:31,620 --> 02:37:29,380
course gobekli tepe came into the mix of

3327
02:37:35,100 --> 02:37:31,630
a little bit later we understand that

3328
02:37:38,310 --> 02:37:35,110
but later I mean our discussions our

3329
02:37:41,870 --> 02:37:38,320
conversations started to shift a little

3330
02:37:44,310 --> 02:37:41,880
bit into world politics economics

3331
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:44,320
spirituality and of course the

3332
02:37:51,030 --> 02:37:48,010
near-death experience the Stars the

3333
02:37:53,400 --> 02:37:51,040
universe he was deeply interested in

3334
02:37:53,760 --> 02:37:53,410
that and I'm not saying he was about to

3335
02:37:57,210 --> 02:37:53,770
leave

3336
02:38:02,220 --> 02:37:57,220
Egyptology behind but that was certainly

3337
02:38:06,720 --> 02:38:02,230
where he wanted to push his late work it

3338
02:38:08,760 --> 02:38:06,730
was a logical succession that because of

3339
02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:08,770
the focus of all of Egypt was preparing

3340
02:38:13,980 --> 02:38:10,720
you for this transition out of your meat

3341
02:38:15,450 --> 02:38:13,990
body and so it was always very top of

3342
02:38:18,210 --> 02:38:15,460
mind for him but I was just talking with

3343
02:38:20,940 --> 02:38:18,220
Zeke about this his son that it was so

3344
02:38:23,790 --> 02:38:20,950
beautifully poetic that the last project

3345
02:38:26,100 --> 02:38:23,800
he worked on he co-authored a book that

3346
02:38:28,890 --> 02:38:26,110
compiled all these hundreds and hundreds

3347
02:38:31,170 --> 02:38:28,900
of stories of little kids being born and

3348
02:38:35,400 --> 02:38:31,180
they clearly remember the name and there

3349
02:38:35,610 --> 02:38:35,410
that I was John you know Williams and I

3350
02:38:37,980 --> 02:38:35,620
was

3351
02:38:39,480 --> 02:38:37,990
a world war two pilot and I died in this

3352
02:38:41,070 --> 02:38:39,490
place and my wife's name was Gertrude

3353
02:38:43,110 --> 02:38:41,080
and we lived at one-two-three fake

3354
02:38:44,730 --> 02:38:43,120
Street then it turned out there was a

3355
02:38:46,261 --> 02:38:44,740
one-two-three fake street and a Gertrude

3356
02:38:48,120 --> 02:38:46,271
lived there and she did lose her husband

3357
02:38:51,180 --> 02:38:48,130
in the war exactly the way this kid said

3358
02:38:52,850 --> 02:38:51,190
and it was so many in India you know in

3359
02:38:56,420 --> 02:38:52,860
the Hindu culture it's a very ho-hum

3360
02:38:58,440 --> 02:38:56,430
it's not a big hurdle for them but they

3361
02:39:00,060 --> 02:38:58,450
but you know in the West obviously

3362
02:39:01,830 --> 02:39:00,070
that's that's laughed at because they're

3363
02:39:04,650 --> 02:39:01,840
ridiculous and so I just thought it was

3364
02:39:07,380 --> 02:39:04,660
so poetic that John steeped himself in

3365
02:39:09,810 --> 02:39:07,390
this project it was specifically about

3366
02:39:12,960 --> 02:39:09,820
how the transition out of life was this

3367
02:39:15,720 --> 02:39:12,970
wonderful part of a continuity rather

3368
02:39:17,790 --> 02:39:15,730
than this final thing and the other

3369
02:39:20,310 --> 02:39:17,800
thing about his political obsession had

3370
02:39:22,410 --> 02:39:20,320
to do with cilenti that you know he was

3371
02:39:24,330 --> 02:39:22,420
kind of the unspoken voice well the

3372
02:39:26,670 --> 02:39:24,340
other voice of cilenti's whole thing

3373
02:39:29,190 --> 02:39:26,680
that trans tooth prince 2,000 ever since

3374
02:39:31,560 --> 02:39:29,200
the y2k basically maybe before that even

3375
02:39:34,620 --> 02:39:31,570
Oh a megatrends there was this massive

3376
02:39:36,720 --> 02:39:34,630
bestseller way back that was Celente and

3377
02:39:38,761 --> 02:39:36,730
west and megatrends and then it became

3378
02:39:40,500 --> 02:39:38,771
trans 2000 and so they always

3379
02:39:42,690 --> 02:39:40,510
collaborated on that and as you know

3380
02:39:44,761 --> 02:39:42,700
gerald Celente is a very vocal verbal

3381
02:39:46,710 --> 02:39:44,771
very funny guy just like john west and

3382
02:39:51,020 --> 02:39:46,720
so that's I think part of the more John

3383
02:39:54,020 --> 02:39:51,030
spent around Celeste Celente um the more

3384
02:39:57,960 --> 02:39:54,030
and also he did not care for the bush

3385
02:40:00,060 --> 02:39:57,970
and I always I don't know if you call it

3386
02:40:02,850 --> 02:40:00,070
egging him on or encouraging him but he

3387
02:40:04,290 --> 02:40:02,860
really wanted to do stand-up I I got as

3388
02:40:05,761 --> 02:40:04,300
far if I'd been to New York one more

3389
02:40:07,740 --> 02:40:05,771
time I really wanted to rent a room

3390
02:40:09,030 --> 02:40:07,750
somewhere or have him do some open mic

3391
02:40:10,920 --> 02:40:09,040
because he had a great he'd I kept

3392
02:40:12,750 --> 02:40:10,930
telling him get a stand-up act you're

3393
02:40:15,150 --> 02:40:12,760
hilarious could stand-up act go on and

3394
02:40:17,160 --> 02:40:15,160
he never quite did that but he was

3395
02:40:18,660 --> 02:40:17,170
always working on his stand-up act and

3396
02:40:20,880 --> 02:40:18,670
that's you know why he had so many great

3397
02:40:22,530 --> 02:40:20,890
funny observations about politics and he

3398
02:40:24,990 --> 02:40:22,540
was repassing about it I mean as we all

3399
02:40:26,390 --> 02:40:25,000
should be did you ever see him in Gerald

3400
02:40:28,530 --> 02:40:26,400
together

3401
02:40:30,390 --> 02:40:28,540
I've never been in the same room with

3402
02:40:32,610 --> 02:40:30,400
Gerald I sure have a high regard for him

3403
02:40:35,400 --> 02:40:32,620
but I've never actually you know when

3404
02:40:36,600 --> 02:40:35,410
you're around John he you hear about

3405
02:40:37,980 --> 02:40:36,610
everything else that's going on in the

3406
02:40:39,360 --> 02:40:37,990
rest of his life and so I've heard

3407
02:40:41,430 --> 02:40:39,370
millions and millions of stories about

3408
02:40:43,440 --> 02:40:41,440
his interactions ich worked for gerald

3409
02:40:45,000 --> 02:40:43,450
Celente for a long time too so I heard a

3410
02:40:46,440 --> 02:40:45,010
lot about it and obviously it's hard not

3411
02:40:48,399 --> 02:40:46,450
to see gerald Celente he's just

3412
02:40:50,439 --> 02:40:48,409
everywhere these days but I've never

3413
02:40:51,489 --> 02:40:50,449
I was never directly witnessed the - but

3414
02:40:53,349 --> 02:40:51,499
I know that they would they were like

3415
02:40:56,949 --> 02:40:53,359
kids you know they just had this this

3416
02:41:01,659 --> 02:40:56,959
glee about taking you know politicians

3417
02:41:04,869 --> 02:41:01,669
down a peg and when it comes see this is

3418
02:41:10,630 --> 02:41:04,879
I avoid politics on this show and I

3419
02:41:12,789 --> 02:41:10,640
avoid politics because my audience is on

3420
02:41:15,669 --> 02:41:12,799
one side of the fence or the other or in

3421
02:41:18,069 --> 02:41:15,679
the middle but if I bring it up I'm in

3422
02:41:21,159 --> 02:41:18,079
to get my audience fighting amongst

3423
02:41:24,719 --> 02:41:21,169
themselves it's so divisive right right

3424
02:41:28,479 --> 02:41:24,729
it just is John didn't care about that

3425
02:41:31,179 --> 02:41:28,489
he didn't care if he was gonna lose a

3426
02:41:32,289 --> 02:41:31,189
fan you know that's the lamb I want my

3427
02:41:35,289 --> 02:41:32,299
money back

3428
02:41:37,449 --> 02:41:35,299
on making a serpent in the sky you know

3429
02:41:41,590 --> 02:41:37,459
what I mean he the world so what I'll

3430
02:41:43,510 --> 02:41:41,600
send you a check it was a weird it was

3431
02:41:45,130 --> 02:41:43,520
another weird thing that I changed my

3432
02:41:47,139 --> 02:41:45,140
operating system because if you grew up

3433
02:41:48,519 --> 02:41:47,149
in today's world and especially Los

3434
02:41:51,010 --> 02:41:48,529
Angeles you know what it's squirrely

3435
02:41:53,859 --> 02:41:51,020
where Los Angeles is it's not many

3436
02:41:55,630 --> 02:41:53,869
people that broadcast their principles

3437
02:41:56,889 --> 02:41:55,640
and then stick to them because just like

3438
02:41:59,579 --> 02:41:56,899
being in politics you know show business

3439
02:42:01,300 --> 02:41:59,589
is all about these insane wealthy

3440
02:42:02,800 --> 02:42:01,310
sociopaths and you just don't want to

3441
02:42:05,260 --> 02:42:02,810
make them mad so you end up not

3442
02:42:07,959 --> 02:42:05,270
expressing your truth quite a lot and

3443
02:42:09,609 --> 02:42:07,969
then I met John and it was like

3444
02:42:10,599 --> 02:42:09,619
literally like being around someone who

3445
02:42:12,519 --> 02:42:10,609
just turned around a punch in the face

3446
02:42:13,869 --> 02:42:12,529
for no not for no reason but when you

3447
02:42:15,429 --> 02:42:13,879
deserved it he'd turn around and give

3448
02:42:18,039 --> 02:42:15,439
you a slap for saying something wrong

3449
02:42:20,709 --> 02:42:18,049
and he never X why I keep saying I've

3450
02:42:22,929 --> 02:42:20,719
met few people that were able to retain

3451
02:42:24,699 --> 02:42:22,939
their grace and dignity while dressing

3452
02:42:25,630 --> 02:42:24,709
you down or contradicting you because

3453
02:42:27,459 --> 02:42:25,640
it's not something you do in polite

3454
02:42:29,919 --> 02:42:27,469
society but if you're a principled man

3455
02:42:31,179 --> 02:42:29,929
which is it like a alien or like a five

3456
02:42:34,419 --> 02:42:31,189
leaf clover nowadays if you're a

3457
02:42:37,989 --> 02:42:34,429
principled man you're not gonna let some

3458
02:42:40,659 --> 02:42:37,999
nonsense fly and not address it and I

3459
02:42:43,899 --> 02:42:40,669
think that's why he was so pivotal and

3460
02:42:45,939 --> 02:42:43,909
so he had such an effect on the people

3461
02:42:47,919 --> 02:42:45,949
that he came in contact with and I

3462
02:42:49,779 --> 02:42:47,929
wanted to I wanted to ask you the same

3463
02:42:52,809 --> 02:42:49,789
question I asked Jacques because I just

3464
02:42:55,029 --> 02:42:52,819
think it's it's the correct one when we

3465
02:42:57,999 --> 02:42:55,039
talk about Ibiza and you think about

3466
02:43:00,090 --> 02:42:58,009
John Anthony West running around Ibiza

3467
02:43:03,410 --> 02:43:00,100
in shorts

3468
02:43:05,820 --> 02:43:03,420
sandals for you know for five years and

3469
02:43:08,040 --> 02:43:05,830
knowing what Ibiza is all about

3470
02:43:11,519 --> 02:43:08,050
certainly that is the perfect place for

3471
02:43:13,979 --> 02:43:11,529
him what would you would you cut off

3472
02:43:16,410 --> 02:43:13,989
your right arm to go back in time and

3473
02:43:19,530 --> 02:43:16,420
hang out with John Anthony West in Ibiza

3474
02:43:21,960 --> 02:43:19,540
I sure would I've spent so much time

3475
02:43:23,550 --> 02:43:21,970
with him on the road from like one city

3476
02:43:24,719 --> 02:43:23,560
to another and so I've heard literally

3477
02:43:26,219 --> 02:43:24,729
minute by minute

3478
02:43:28,200 --> 02:43:26,229
everything that happened to him in Ibiza

3479
02:43:31,019 --> 02:43:28,210
and the thing to remember about him and

3480
02:43:33,210 --> 02:43:31,029
Ibiza was we have this John in our heads

3481
02:43:35,639 --> 02:43:33,220
you know that's this wonderful loveable

3482
02:43:38,040 --> 02:43:35,649
old bearded man but he was a

3483
02:43:40,760 --> 02:43:38,050
good-looking guy you look at his son and

3484
02:43:43,889 --> 02:43:40,770
see what like John was a dashing man and

3485
02:43:46,080 --> 02:43:43,899
he was thin and he was just striking

3486
02:43:47,460 --> 02:43:46,090
like a striking kind of Arabic looking

3487
02:43:49,320 --> 02:43:47,470
guy you don't realize he had this kind

3488
02:43:50,880 --> 02:43:49,330
of really sort of an Arabic flair he's

3489
02:43:53,219 --> 02:43:50,890
not but he had this real Arabic flair

3490
02:43:56,580 --> 02:43:53,229
about him and just really good-looking

3491
02:43:57,990 --> 02:43:56,590
plus the rapier wit and this is back in

3492
02:44:00,389 --> 02:43:58,000
the days of gentleman leanness and

3493
02:44:03,719 --> 02:44:00,399
masculinity and thus all the stuff that

3494
02:44:06,090 --> 02:44:03,729
just doesn't exist anymore and but it's

3495
02:44:08,070 --> 02:44:06,100
all it when you see pictures from those

3496
02:44:10,349 --> 02:44:08,080
days and you see what a dashing young

3497
02:44:12,660 --> 02:44:10,359
guy he was first of all he must have

3498
02:44:14,160 --> 02:44:12,670
been swimming in women and secondly his

3499
02:44:16,410 --> 02:44:14,170
friends were all from theater and

3500
02:44:18,139 --> 02:44:16,420
literature so he part of he is the

3501
02:44:20,460 --> 02:44:18,149
reason he had that kind of

3502
02:44:23,340 --> 02:44:20,470
confrontational style as you know those

3503
02:44:26,040 --> 02:44:23,350
old the soirees and from the 40s and 50s

3504
02:44:31,769 --> 02:44:26,050
were just clever people hung around and

3505
02:44:33,689 --> 02:44:31,779
did their best to seem like you know oh

3506
02:44:36,719 --> 02:44:33,699
I forgot the name this is a gay guy from

3507
02:44:40,219 --> 02:44:36,729
the aesthetics Oscar Wilde like it was

3508
02:44:42,389 --> 02:44:40,229
the age of Oscar Wilde witticism and

3509
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:42,399
and he was the best of them he was just

3510
02:44:46,710 --> 02:44:43,930
the best the one-liners and the

3511
02:44:48,510 --> 02:44:46,720
cleverness and the the repartee and it's

3512
02:44:50,160 --> 02:44:48,520
a lost world and not just it's one of

3513
02:44:52,139 --> 02:44:50,170
the gifts that John gave me was just to

3514
02:44:53,550 --> 02:44:52,149
open up this perfect window and there's

3515
02:44:55,679 --> 02:44:53,560
not just so many stories that I can't

3516
02:44:57,149 --> 02:44:55,689
tell ya I'm just sitting here lamenting

3517
02:44:59,429 --> 02:44:57,159
that all the best stories I would just I

3518
02:45:01,139 --> 02:44:59,439
wouldn't dream of saying over the we

3519
02:45:02,820 --> 02:45:01,149
probably both get arrested by the FCC if

3520
02:45:05,609 --> 02:45:02,830
I got into too many details but his life

3521
02:45:07,590 --> 02:45:05,619
was wild and colorful and beautiful and

3522
02:45:11,280 --> 02:45:07,600
poetic in this way that just doesn't

3523
02:45:13,359 --> 02:45:11,290
happen anymore and the what happened to

3524
02:45:15,039 --> 02:45:13,369
him in Ibiza and

3525
02:45:18,939 --> 02:45:15,049
I've heard him you know tell these

3526
02:45:22,059 --> 02:45:18,949
stories as well but it was the astrology

3527
02:45:24,779 --> 02:45:22,069
the universe the Stars swallered the

3528
02:45:28,449 --> 02:45:24,789
Lubitz how he stumbled upon that book

3529
02:45:32,260 --> 02:45:28,459
and all of this aligned at the same time

3530
02:45:36,099 --> 02:45:32,270
of all places in Ibiza which allowed him

3531
02:45:38,679 --> 02:45:36,109
to start to figure this stuff out and he

3532
02:45:40,959 --> 02:45:38,689
did that for us that was our gift coming

3533
02:45:42,849 --> 02:45:40,969
back but if all of these things didn't

3534
02:45:46,149 --> 02:45:42,859
happen at the same time we wouldn't have

3535
02:45:48,579 --> 02:45:46,159
gotten it yeah and who else was

3536
02:45:50,979 --> 02:45:48,589
championing championing this like Robert

3537
02:45:54,099 --> 02:45:50,989
Lawler John in fact lived with Robert

3538
02:45:57,249 --> 02:45:54,109
Lawler for a while at Lucile Ami's place

3539
02:45:58,719 --> 02:45:57,259
Robert Lawler actually translated

3540
02:46:01,239 --> 02:45:58,729
swallowers books from French and English

3541
02:46:02,649 --> 02:46:01,249
so that big beautiful temple of man if

3542
02:46:05,550 --> 02:46:02,659
you look at the name of the author it

3543
02:46:07,979 --> 02:46:05,560
was translated by Robert Lawler they

3544
02:46:11,529 --> 02:46:07,989
they interacted quite a bit there's such

3545
02:46:14,229 --> 02:46:11,539
radically different people and I have to

3546
02:46:16,359 --> 02:46:14,239
say I prefer John's book serpent in the

3547
02:46:19,719 --> 02:46:16,369
sky - Roberts just perfect translation

3548
02:46:22,569 --> 02:46:19,729
of swallower because there's a style and

3549
02:46:24,369 --> 02:46:22,579
this swagger and this just this thing

3550
02:46:26,889 --> 02:46:24,379
that John put into serpent in the sky

3551
02:46:29,949 --> 02:46:26,899
that you know certainly wasn't present

3552
02:46:32,109 --> 02:46:29,959
in SH Waller and John was the lens that

3553
02:46:33,249 --> 02:46:32,119
you wanted - John was the monocle that

3554
02:46:34,869 --> 02:46:33,259
you wanted to be wearing when you looked

3555
02:46:36,729 --> 02:46:34,879
at schwa Lord Olympics in the past and

3556
02:46:38,199 --> 02:46:36,739
the thing about this is it's not just

3557
02:46:39,999 --> 02:46:38,209
some academic thing from the past this

3558
02:46:42,069 --> 02:46:40,009
is the most important thing people can

3559
02:46:45,159 --> 02:46:42,079
know and John didn't realize it until he

3560
02:46:47,260 --> 02:46:45,169
was well into it and yeah people don't

3561
02:46:48,639 --> 02:46:47,270
know John wrote a fantastic book that I

3562
02:46:51,219 --> 02:46:48,649
think you've mentioned it's called a

3563
02:46:53,709 --> 02:46:51,229
case for astrology and it was a like I

3564
02:46:56,019 --> 02:46:53,719
was I have to say I kind of scoffed at

3565
02:46:58,689 --> 02:46:56,029
astrology until I read that book and

3566
02:47:00,069 --> 02:46:58,699
young you know young was fascinated with

3567
02:47:02,709 --> 02:47:00,079
astrology nowadays the whole thing's

3568
02:47:06,550 --> 02:47:02,719
kind of played down and made fun of but

3569
02:47:09,579 --> 02:47:06,560
it was just part of his nature that he

3570
02:47:10,959 --> 02:47:09,589
had this thing oh I'll tell you this for

3571
02:47:12,909 --> 02:47:10,969
the quick Jimmy when he was younger he

3572
02:47:14,260 --> 02:47:12,919
lived in New York and he was a writer

3573
02:47:15,760 --> 02:47:14,270
and he used to work on those pulp

3574
02:47:18,280 --> 02:47:15,770
fiction you know like pulp comics

3575
02:47:20,260 --> 02:47:18,290
amazing stories and stuff like then

3576
02:47:21,610 --> 02:47:20,270
pinning like he literally got paid a

3577
02:47:23,290 --> 02:47:21,620
penny a word or something there's no

3578
02:47:25,389 --> 02:47:23,300
money at all and he used to tell me he

3579
02:47:28,300 --> 02:47:25,399
spent years in this terrible little

3580
02:47:30,790 --> 02:47:28,310
basement boiler room him and four other

3581
02:47:32,200 --> 02:47:30,800
authors just churning out on the scene

3582
02:47:34,120 --> 02:47:32,210
oh this is before electric typewriters

3583
02:47:36,130 --> 02:47:34,130
in word processor so those old cranky

3584
02:47:37,840 --> 02:47:36,140
mechanical typewriters imagine this

3585
02:47:39,460 --> 02:47:37,850
little room is like just white with

3586
02:47:40,570 --> 02:47:39,470
cigarette smoke you know cuz I was back

3587
02:47:42,969 --> 02:47:40,580
when you could smoke in the workplace

3588
02:47:45,820 --> 02:47:42,979
and uh here's who the four authors were

3589
02:47:48,370 --> 02:47:45,830
young John West young Robert Heinlein

3590
02:47:51,460 --> 02:47:48,380
young Isaac Asimov and Young Ray

3591
02:47:54,460 --> 02:47:51,470
Bradbury clothes for cats sitting in a

3592
02:47:56,590 --> 02:47:54,470
boiler room starving to death and living

3593
02:47:58,710 --> 02:47:56,600
on cigarettes and coffee cranking out

3594
02:48:02,230 --> 02:47:58,720
amazing stories for one penny a word

3595
02:48:03,250 --> 02:48:02,240
isn't that insane how about that I know

3596
02:48:06,070 --> 02:48:03,260
I know

3597
02:48:08,080 --> 02:48:06,080
and he said one other thing Walt

3598
02:48:09,550 --> 02:48:08,090
wondering he said many things but he

3599
02:48:12,849 --> 02:48:09,560
said one thing that caught me that he

3600
02:48:15,460 --> 02:48:12,859
preferred the French versions of

3601
02:48:17,110 --> 02:48:15,470
everything and he would pain stanky you

3602
02:48:20,170 --> 02:48:17,120
know he didn't treat he didn't speak

3603
02:48:23,440 --> 02:48:20,180
French but so he would translate the

3604
02:48:25,780 --> 02:48:23,450
French himself but that Lawler's

3605
02:48:29,590 --> 02:48:25,790
versions of it didn't have the passion

3606
02:48:30,969 --> 02:48:29,600
and it felt incorrect to him yeah it's

3607
02:48:32,679 --> 02:48:30,979
like a Quran you're not reading the

3608
02:48:34,240 --> 02:48:32,689
Koran unless you read it in Arabic and

3609
02:48:36,550 --> 02:48:34,250
there's just something about French

3610
02:48:38,200 --> 02:48:36,560
German to I don't know if you know much

3611
02:48:40,630 --> 02:48:38,210
about Aaron Chi here in Chi cuz it's

3612
02:48:44,530 --> 02:48:40,640
just remarkable dude that's in brother

3613
02:48:46,150 --> 02:48:44,540
friend of mine in Episode two and Aaron

3614
02:48:47,769 --> 02:48:46,160
does that Aaron's a translator he

3615
02:48:50,170 --> 02:48:47,779
translates old esoteric and occult

3616
02:48:51,880 --> 02:48:50,180
literature from German and he says it

3617
02:48:53,260 --> 02:48:51,890
too if you read this stuff and you don't

3618
02:48:55,690 --> 02:48:53,270
read it in the native language it's

3619
02:48:57,190 --> 02:48:55,700
inevitable that there's the nuances and

3620
02:49:00,280 --> 02:48:57,200
the subtlety and all these references

3621
02:49:02,440 --> 02:49:00,290
there's no way to translate a metaphor

3622
02:49:04,750 --> 02:49:02,450
or you know if you said cache me outside

3623
02:49:07,650 --> 02:49:04,760
or if you say that's what she said that

3624
02:49:09,880 --> 02:49:07,660
the stuff doesn't translate and so

3625
02:49:11,410 --> 02:49:09,890
that's there's lots of good reasons to

3626
02:49:12,849 --> 02:49:11,420
learn French but one of the best is to

3627
02:49:15,130 --> 02:49:12,859
read swallow delivers in his native

3628
02:49:16,980 --> 02:49:15,140
tongue yeah you bring you bring up

3629
02:49:20,530 --> 02:49:16,990
another good point who else was

3630
02:49:21,760 --> 02:49:20,540
championing at that time no but well

3631
02:49:23,380 --> 02:49:21,770
that's what I was gonna say this stuff

3632
02:49:26,800 --> 02:49:23,390
we would not have access because there

3633
02:49:29,380 --> 02:49:26,810
is this giant organized mounted effort

3634
02:49:31,120 --> 02:49:29,390
to keep this stuff out out of the public

3635
02:49:31,750 --> 02:49:31,130
eye when swallowed Olympics was on the

3636
02:49:36,519 --> 02:49:31,760
ground

3637
02:49:38,170 --> 02:49:36,529
in Luxor Adrian dree atone who was the

3638
02:49:41,050 --> 02:49:38,180
king of everything in Egyptology back

3639
02:49:42,939 --> 02:49:41,060
then swallow was so incisive and yeah

3640
02:49:44,139 --> 02:49:42,949
people don't know this a lot of people

3641
02:49:45,729 --> 02:49:44,149
don't know that schwa was the head of

3642
02:49:48,370 --> 02:49:45,739
the theosophic around a shin like Madame

3643
02:49:50,979 --> 02:49:48,380
Blavatsky was diner was in our branch

3644
02:49:53,080 --> 02:49:50,989
Waller was actually head of and so he

3645
02:49:55,870 --> 02:49:53,090
shows up and he has quite a compendium

3646
02:49:57,340 --> 02:49:55,880
of esoteric knowledge and you know it's

3647
02:49:59,050 --> 02:49:57,350
sort of like if you didn't know what sex

3648
02:50:02,469 --> 02:49:59,060
was and then he went to Hugh Hefner's

3649
02:50:04,359 --> 02:50:02,479
house when you look at Egypt and you're

3650
02:50:06,279 --> 02:50:04,369
not steeped in esotericism you're not

3651
02:50:08,170 --> 02:50:06,289
going to understand the message but if

3652
02:50:10,149 --> 02:50:08,180
you are steeped in esotericism and you

3653
02:50:12,880 --> 02:50:10,159
know you're a cult stuff your symbolism

3654
02:50:15,040 --> 02:50:12,890
and you go to Egypt Egypt just speaks to

3655
02:50:16,809 --> 02:50:15,050
you I'm sorry Egyptologist hated

3656
02:50:19,960 --> 02:50:16,819
swallowed Olympics and they and so that

3657
02:50:22,210 --> 02:50:19,970
famous line of Adrienne Rhea Tong let's

3658
02:50:24,099 --> 02:50:22,220
erect a common wall of silence around

3659
02:50:26,290 --> 02:50:24,109
swallowers work and if it weren't for

3660
02:50:28,719 --> 02:50:26,300
John that would have stuck and we'd all

3661
02:50:30,639 --> 02:50:28,729
be in some kind of horrific neo-fascist

3662
02:50:32,590 --> 02:50:30,649
nightmare it makes me wonder what else

3663
02:50:35,380 --> 02:50:32,600
we don't know Jimmy because every

3664
02:50:37,149 --> 02:50:35,390
military show you see every UFO every

3665
02:50:39,010 --> 02:50:37,159
parallel dimension thing I just watched

3666
02:50:40,569 --> 02:50:39,020
Star Trek finally last night and there

3667
02:50:41,590 --> 02:50:40,579
they discovered parallel universes and

3668
02:50:42,849 --> 02:50:41,600
the first thing that happens it's okay

3669
02:50:45,399 --> 02:50:42,859
that's classified nobody can know about

3670
02:50:47,410 --> 02:50:45,409
that so every interesting new thing that

3671
02:50:49,210 --> 02:50:47,420
happens is instantly classified we're

3672
02:50:50,679 --> 02:50:49,220
never gonna hear about it so it makes

3673
02:50:52,960 --> 02:50:50,689
you wonder what else we don't know about

3674
02:50:55,059 --> 02:50:52,970
but I would venture to say if it weren't

3675
02:50:56,739 --> 02:50:55,069
for John West we wouldn't be here having

3676
02:50:59,559 --> 02:50:56,749
this conversation right now and this

3677
02:51:01,239 --> 02:50:59,569
whole optimism about the fact that there

3678
02:51:02,080 --> 02:51:01,249
are these ancient instructions that are

3679
02:51:03,880 --> 02:51:02,090
still there and they're still

3680
02:51:05,260 --> 02:51:03,890
broadcasting and they're for you Jimmy

3681
02:51:07,029 --> 02:51:05,270
they're for me they're like this magic

3682
02:51:09,069 --> 02:51:07,039
mirror that shows you how to scratch

3683
02:51:12,550 --> 02:51:09,079
this thing that you can't even locate in

3684
02:51:14,889 --> 02:51:12,560
physical space and that might I would

3685
02:51:17,410 --> 02:51:14,899
hope turn out to be this evolution

3686
02:51:19,929 --> 02:51:17,420
changing bit of information once it gets

3687
02:51:22,630 --> 02:51:19,939
recognized for what it is and we might

3688
02:51:25,090 --> 02:51:22,640
never have had access to that if John

3689
02:51:27,429 --> 02:51:25,100
hadn't spent his life taking it on the

3690
02:51:29,139 --> 02:51:27,439
chin and being ridiculed for what you

3691
02:51:31,660 --> 02:51:29,149
know what he knew to be right yeah he

3692
02:51:34,210 --> 02:51:31,670
said to me well I asked him I said when

3693
02:51:37,269 --> 02:51:34,220
when you go when you take your tours and

3694
02:51:40,380 --> 02:51:37,279
you're guiding people around and there

3695
02:51:41,920 --> 02:51:40,390
are going to be those that don't

3696
02:51:44,710 --> 02:51:41,930
understand

3697
02:51:47,739 --> 02:51:44,720
the symbolism they're looking at the big

3698
02:51:50,889 --> 02:51:47,749
rocks right yeah they're looking at you

3699
02:51:52,840 --> 02:51:50,899
know the statues but they don't he goes

3700
02:51:57,159 --> 02:51:52,850
Jimmy you walked through the symbolism

3701
02:51:59,949 --> 02:51:57,169
is loud it's noisy it's everywhere

3702
02:52:02,769 --> 02:51:59,959
that's what I see and it speaks to you

3703
02:52:04,540 --> 02:52:02,779
so many enhance things right right he

3704
02:52:06,189 --> 02:52:04,550
said so many people go to Egypt and

3705
02:52:08,139 --> 02:52:06,199
they're looking at the pyramid they're

3706
02:52:11,229 --> 02:52:08,149
looking at the Sphinx and then but they

3707
02:52:13,090 --> 02:52:11,239
don't see the symbolism that is right in

3708
02:52:15,399 --> 02:52:13,100
front of them on the walls it's

3709
02:52:18,279 --> 02:52:15,409
everywhere and it's loud and it's noisy

3710
02:52:20,649 --> 02:52:18,289
and in you're absolutely right that's

3711
02:52:23,739 --> 02:52:20,659
what he brought to the table it's not

3712
02:52:26,439 --> 02:52:23,749
just you know big rocks which is great

3713
02:52:29,229 --> 02:52:26,449
you know that's the logistical side of

3714
02:52:31,149 --> 02:52:29,239
it I get that but but it's the symbolism

3715
02:52:33,790 --> 02:52:31,159
and that's what he brought to us and

3716
02:52:36,550 --> 02:52:33,800
we're just now starting to absorb it

3717
02:52:38,469 --> 02:52:36,560
yeah it reminded me this in fact I just

3718
02:52:39,909 --> 02:52:38,479
this thing just popped into my head or I

3719
02:52:41,830 --> 02:52:39,919
just came across this thing I think I'm

3720
02:52:46,139 --> 02:52:41,840
gonna start the next episode with this

3721
02:52:49,559 --> 02:52:46,149
quote it was from da Vinci and he said

3722
02:52:51,729 --> 02:52:49,569
three kinds of people people who see

3723
02:52:54,219 --> 02:52:51,739
people who see once they've been shown

3724
02:52:56,050 --> 02:52:54,229
and people who are never gonna see but

3725
02:52:57,489 --> 02:52:56,060
Tim is that just and does that just eat

3726
02:53:00,519 --> 02:52:57,499
what and what more do you need to say I

3727
02:53:02,139 --> 02:53:00,529
have another quote here from a John few

3728
02:53:03,849 --> 02:53:02,149
things in this world are more

3729
02:53:05,969 --> 02:53:03,859
predictable than the reaction of

3730
02:53:16,290 --> 02:53:05,979
conventional Minds to unconventional

3731
02:53:18,819 --> 02:53:16,300
ideas John yeah totally totally yeah

3732
02:53:20,469 --> 02:53:18,829
just what an amazing show I want to keep

3733
02:53:25,899 --> 02:53:20,479
this going up guy just got like five

3734
02:53:28,149 --> 02:53:25,909
minutes left and so for you let's just

3735
02:53:30,849 --> 02:53:28,159
look back at the life of John Anthony

3736
02:53:36,899 --> 02:53:30,859
West what was the gift that he left for

3737
02:53:41,729 --> 02:53:36,909
you the clarity of thought the idea that

3738
02:53:44,529 --> 02:53:41,739
authorities are presenting a facade

3739
02:53:47,679 --> 02:53:44,539
nothing is completely known or

3740
02:53:50,679 --> 02:53:47,689
completely understood and that just

3741
02:53:51,830 --> 02:53:50,689
because there's a common voice that all

3742
02:53:53,570 --> 02:53:51,840
of science

3743
02:53:55,250 --> 02:53:53,580
that everything that you think is cool

3744
02:53:56,570 --> 02:53:55,260
isn't real everything you want to

3745
02:53:57,290 --> 02:53:56,580
believe about ancient Egypt is all

3746
02:54:00,800 --> 02:53:57,300
nonsense

3747
02:54:03,170 --> 02:54:00,810
he taught me challenge Authority or at

3748
02:54:05,420 --> 02:54:03,180
least look into their claims if you just

3749
02:54:07,969 --> 02:54:05,430
look into the claims of science it's not

3750
02:54:11,450 --> 02:54:07,979
quite this unassailable monolith and

3751
02:54:13,160 --> 02:54:11,460
it's much more a tool of social

3752
02:54:15,349 --> 02:54:13,170
engineering you know in this tool like

3753
02:54:18,349 --> 02:54:15,359
television to create homogeneity and in

3754
02:54:20,480 --> 02:54:18,359
minds and it's not really about getting

3755
02:54:22,219 --> 02:54:20,490
to the truth sometimes when it goes

3756
02:54:24,770 --> 02:54:22,229
wrong it's about territorialism and

3757
02:54:27,080 --> 02:54:24,780
people are fallible and anybody who

3758
02:54:29,360 --> 02:54:27,090
writes a book or becomes chancellor of a

3759
02:54:30,860 --> 02:54:29,370
school people do not like to be proven

3760
02:54:33,320 --> 02:54:30,870
wrong once they've been acknowledged as

3761
02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:33,330
an expert and so for all kinds of

3762
02:54:37,940 --> 02:54:35,850
reasons never take things at face value

3763
02:54:40,460 --> 02:54:37,950
look into them yourself and especially

3764
02:54:42,410 --> 02:54:40,470
for artists you know this new series of

3765
02:54:44,030 --> 02:54:42,420
magical egypt is for artists and i'm

3766
02:54:45,639 --> 02:54:44,040
perfectly okay if the artists have to

3767
02:54:48,110 --> 02:54:45,649
then explain it to everyone else because

3768
02:54:50,630 --> 02:54:48,120
egypt speaks visually and it speaks

3769
02:54:51,889 --> 02:54:50,640
through aesthetics and so artists go and

3770
02:54:53,540 --> 02:54:51,899
they see this thing that's just so

3771
02:54:55,370 --> 02:54:53,550
there's no question about the message of

3772
02:54:56,840 --> 02:54:55,380
egypt but then you leave and you get

3773
02:54:59,090 --> 02:54:56,850
this cognitive dissonance because this

3774
02:55:00,860 --> 02:54:59,100
heartfelt experience you had everybody

3775
02:55:02,150 --> 02:55:00,870
who meets that now that didn't happen

3776
02:55:04,520 --> 02:55:02,160
that's not real that's a conspiracy

3777
02:55:06,200 --> 02:55:04,530
theory and if you connect and you do

3778
02:55:08,540 --> 02:55:06,210
that thing where a pointer points when

3779
02:55:11,060 --> 02:55:08,550
it sees a bird or you know what a dog

3780
02:55:13,610 --> 02:55:11,070
does when it sees a cat some people see

3781
02:55:15,620 --> 02:55:13,620
Egypt they just instantly like and

3782
02:55:17,690 --> 02:55:15,630
there's something that it may well be a

3783
02:55:20,800 --> 02:55:17,700
past life you know experience that

3784
02:55:23,179 --> 02:55:20,810
people don't understand why they're so

3785
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:23,189
attracted to Egypt but almost every

3786
02:55:26,150 --> 02:55:24,720
person that has this attraction and

3787
02:55:29,630 --> 02:55:26,160
fascination to Egypt at some point

3788
02:55:32,030 --> 02:55:29,640
encounters some I'll delete the

3789
02:55:34,310 --> 02:55:32,040
expletive but some encounter some person

3790
02:55:37,280 --> 02:55:34,320
who prides themselves on popping

3791
02:55:40,370 --> 02:55:37,290
people's bubbles and so if you are a

3792
02:55:42,440 --> 02:55:40,380
person who sees a promise and a hope and

3793
02:55:43,790 --> 02:55:42,450
something really remarkable peering out

3794
02:55:46,760 --> 02:55:43,800
from the ruins of Egypt

3795
02:55:48,410 --> 02:55:46,770
don't let quote-unquote authorities

3796
02:55:51,980 --> 02:55:48,420
laugh at you and say you're insane

3797
02:55:53,780 --> 02:55:51,990
because history is a process of proving

3798
02:55:56,060 --> 02:55:53,790
science wrong you know and then setting

3799
02:55:58,490 --> 02:55:56,070
up new science in its way and but if the

3800
02:56:00,530 --> 02:55:58,500
artists are the only ones with an intact

3801
02:56:03,139 --> 02:56:00,540
right hemisphere it seems that are able

3802
02:56:04,410 --> 02:56:03,149
to go outside of the box and make

3803
02:56:06,120 --> 02:56:04,420
unusual connection

3804
02:56:08,190 --> 02:56:06,130
and all of these things that are sort of

3805
02:56:11,340 --> 02:56:08,200
the antithesis of science but are the

3806
02:56:12,480 --> 02:56:11,350
backbone of art and so it was another

3807
02:56:14,160 --> 02:56:12,490
you know as a huge part of my

3808
02:56:16,020 --> 02:56:14,170
inspiration for the new series it's just

3809
02:56:17,880 --> 02:56:16,030
here's what artists who you know we know

3810
02:56:20,070 --> 02:56:17,890
what Egyptologists have to say and so

3811
02:56:23,010 --> 02:56:20,080
here's what some other fields who also

3812
02:56:24,540 --> 02:56:23,020
have a right to talk about this here's

3813
02:56:27,030 --> 02:56:24,550
what other people say you know and if

3814
02:56:29,670 --> 02:56:27,040
you know Laird Scranton or Thomas Brophy

3815
02:56:31,380 --> 02:56:29,680
or above all you know as engineer it's

3816
02:56:32,610 --> 02:56:31,390
the people who aren't in Egyptology that

3817
02:56:35,610 --> 02:56:32,620
seemed to make the most meaningful

3818
02:56:37,170 --> 02:56:35,620
discoveries about it and so everyone out

3819
02:56:39,870 --> 02:56:37,180
there listening you might be the next

3820
02:56:41,250 --> 02:56:39,880
John West because Laird Scranton nobody

3821
02:56:42,900 --> 02:56:41,260
ever heard of Laird Laird found this

3822
02:56:45,090 --> 02:56:42,910
little thing that started on pull

3823
02:56:48,810 --> 02:56:45,100
unraveling like a sweater Thomas Brophy

3824
02:56:50,460 --> 02:56:48,820
is a JPL trajectory math nerd and he

3825
02:56:51,780 --> 02:56:50,470
found some little thing and all of a

3826
02:56:53,810 --> 02:56:51,790
sudden they showed that the Egyptians

3827
02:56:56,310 --> 02:56:53,820
knew exactly how many light-years to

3828
02:56:58,620 --> 02:56:56,320
Betelgeuse an owl an attack and on the

3829
02:57:01,350 --> 02:56:58,630
lam and he's just weird little it's

3830
02:57:03,719 --> 02:57:01,360
always the exception to the rule that

3831
02:57:05,219 --> 02:57:03,729
ends up being the door through which you

3832
02:57:06,660 --> 02:57:05,229
enter this new paradigm you know it's

3833
02:57:08,460 --> 02:57:06,670
like we've got one side of the Rubik's

3834
02:57:10,380 --> 02:57:08,470
Cube solved and we're gonna call that a

3835
02:57:11,640 --> 02:57:10,390
win but then there's this one little oh

3836
02:57:12,870 --> 02:57:11,650
yeah well that's all but here's all

3837
02:57:14,790 --> 02:57:12,880
these other things that don't make sense

3838
02:57:16,500 --> 02:57:14,800
in that model and so it makes you

3839
02:57:19,290 --> 02:57:16,510
question the model and all of a sudden

3840
02:57:20,880 --> 02:57:19,300
you realize this wasn't quite as set in

3841
02:57:22,410 --> 02:57:20,890
stone as the authorities would have us

3842
02:57:24,030 --> 02:57:22,420
believe and so the reason we're all

3843
02:57:25,890 --> 02:57:24,040
fascinated with Egypt is there's just

3844
02:57:28,110 --> 02:57:25,900
something in the collective psyche we're

3845
02:57:29,490 --> 02:57:28,120
looking to this place to reveal

3846
02:57:32,670 --> 02:57:29,500
something that's gonna change everything

3847
02:57:35,400 --> 02:57:32,680
and I think that the reason we know to

3848
02:57:41,070 --> 02:57:35,410
look besides just natural intuition is

3849
02:57:45,330 --> 02:57:41,080
that John showed how flimsy this facade

3850
02:57:47,840 --> 02:57:45,340
of know-it-all ISM is and to me made the

3851
02:57:50,340 --> 02:57:47,850
world hopeful and optimistic and

3852
02:57:51,630 --> 02:57:50,350
certainly gave me a passion that I can

3853
02:57:53,580 --> 02:57:51,640
pursue for the rest of my life this

3854
02:57:55,260 --> 02:57:53,590
place is a bottomless barrel of

3855
02:57:56,730 --> 02:57:55,270
mysteries but they're all solvable

3856
02:57:57,960 --> 02:57:56,740
mysteries they're puzzles in fact

3857
02:57:59,280 --> 02:57:57,970
they're so they want to be solving their

3858
02:58:01,320 --> 02:57:59,290
puzzles you know in the classic sense

3859
02:58:02,790 --> 02:58:01,330
and that's what human psyche it's like

3860
02:58:04,110 --> 02:58:02,800
catnip for the human psyche you know

3861
02:58:08,100 --> 02:58:04,120
show me a puzzle and I won't stop until

3862
02:58:10,500 --> 02:58:08,110
I finish it know-it-all ISM thank you so

3863
02:58:13,140 --> 02:58:10,510
much chance and for doing this tonight

3864
02:58:14,850 --> 02:58:13,150
with us of he just made this evening so

3865
02:58:17,340 --> 02:58:14,860
special for the audience and for myself

3866
02:58:17,790 --> 02:58:17,350
thank you so much really quick

3867
02:58:21,120 --> 02:58:17,800
we've

3868
02:58:26,599 --> 02:58:21,130
a rap I've got to go when is the next

3869
02:58:31,110 --> 02:58:29,490
if you knew the cast of characters that

3870
02:58:33,000 --> 02:58:31,120
were involved you'd understand that

3871
02:58:34,679 --> 02:58:33,010
that's kind of a complicated question my

3872
02:58:36,389 --> 02:58:34,689
parts are all done we're doing 5 & 6

3873
02:58:37,020 --> 02:58:36,399
right now let's say this within the next

3874
02:58:40,050 --> 02:58:37,030
30 days

3875
02:58:42,540 --> 02:58:40,060
episode 5 will be out and episode 5 & 6

3876
02:58:45,210 --> 02:58:42,550
may come out at the same time but Brad

3877
02:58:47,429 --> 02:58:45,220
is a big part of the next episode and

3878
02:58:48,389 --> 02:58:47,439
he's inundated with Pearl Jam where he

3879
02:58:50,219 --> 02:58:48,399
just did something for Queens of the

3880
02:58:51,510 --> 02:58:50,229
Stone Age I was very impressed with so a

3881
02:58:53,309 --> 02:58:51,520
lot of the people because they're all

3882
02:58:54,960 --> 02:58:53,319
doing other things it's hard for me to

3883
02:58:56,400 --> 02:58:54,970
really beat anybody with a donkey stick

3884
02:58:58,380 --> 02:58:56,410
and say hurry up and finish this part

3885
02:58:59,880 --> 02:58:58,390
and so that's I don't mean to be

3886
02:59:01,410 --> 02:58:59,890
squirrely but um within the next month

3887
02:59:03,480 --> 02:59:01,420
Episode five will be available and

3888
02:59:04,650 --> 02:59:03,490
shortly thereafter Episode six will be

3889
02:59:08,070 --> 02:59:04,660
done and then we're just going right

3890
02:59:09,570 --> 02:59:08,080
into a prediction on another six in fact

3891
02:59:11,280 --> 02:59:09,580
Jimmy I'd sure love to have you

3892
02:59:13,080 --> 02:59:11,290
participate in the next we're doing a

3893
02:59:14,849 --> 02:59:13,090
run of three with the Great Pyramids

3894
02:59:16,469 --> 02:59:14,859
which I know is a hot button for you so

3895
02:59:17,639 --> 02:59:16,479
I'd sure love to talk to you about you

3896
02:59:21,599 --> 02:59:17,649
participating in that in some way

3897
02:59:24,210 --> 02:59:21,609
anything that I can do awesome thank you

3898
02:59:25,800 --> 02:59:24,220
so much chance all the bank you Jimmy

3899
02:59:27,210 --> 02:59:25,810
people needed to hear this and good on

3900
02:59:28,889 --> 02:59:27,220
you for taking the time to do this and

3901
02:59:30,840 --> 02:59:28,899
let's all remember we're a family now

3902
02:59:33,750 --> 02:59:30,850
and let's not lose touch because our

3903
02:59:35,790 --> 02:59:33,760
patron you know has moved on no he's

3904
02:59:38,790 --> 02:59:35,800
still with us we've got a lot of work to

3905
02:59:41,610 --> 02:59:38,800
do in his name and and do me a favor

3906
02:59:42,240 --> 02:59:41,620
give my best to Vinnie's will did I'll

3907
02:59:45,000 --> 02:59:42,250
talk to you

3908
02:59:48,330 --> 02:59:45,010
chants Gardner thank you so much chance

3909
02:59:51,210 --> 02:59:48,340
and this is this is how we're gonna wrap

3910
02:59:55,290 --> 02:59:51,220
our John Anthony West a special tribute

3911
02:59:55,830 --> 02:59:55,300
and again a special thanks to dr. Robert

3912
02:59:58,740 --> 02:59:55,840
Schoch

3913
03:00:01,740 --> 02:59:58,750
and for everything that he did earlier

3914
03:00:04,380 --> 03:00:01,750
in the show and again go to Robert

3915
03:00:07,650 --> 03:00:04,390
Schoch and.com I'm all choked up okay

3916
03:00:09,270 --> 03:00:07,660
Robert Schoch calm and and read

3917
03:00:12,750 --> 03:00:09,280
everything that he's just posted about

3918
03:00:16,400 --> 03:00:12,760
jaws some very cool images there too as

3919
03:00:19,980 --> 03:00:16,410
well and of course magical Egypt calm

3920
03:00:21,071 --> 03:00:19,990
the best chance Gardner thank you so

3921
03:00:23,411 --> 03:00:21,081
much

3922
03:00:25,511 --> 03:00:23,421
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3923
03:00:27,970 --> 03:00:25,521
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3924
03:00:30,570 --> 03:00:27,980
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3925
03:00:32,161 --> 03:00:30,580
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3926
03:00:35,560 --> 03:00:32,171
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3927
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3930
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3932
03:00:50,831 --> 03:00:48,261
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3933
03:00:55,271 --> 03:00:50,841
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03:00:59,921 --> 03:00:58,190
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fade to black or the game changer

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Network what a great show tonight thank

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you everybody that came out and hung out

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for a little bit of memory on the on the

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life and times of John Anthony Wes until

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tomorrow night I want everybody to be

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safe

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go back Lee taffy